One Pocket Ghost
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I see nothing wrong with Efren's choice.
Tom
Neither do I...I'm just very surprised at how badly he hit it, or how badly he judged the angle, whichever was the case.
- Ghost
I see nothing wrong with Efren's choice.
Tom
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The further toward the side rail, the least likely Scott would go for a thin cut on the 9. And yes, Efren hit it bad. But it was the wrong shot anyhow. It left Scott a nice little return.
~Doc
My feeling is, unless they were playing in a swamp, for the 2-railer to come that short on a Gold Crown, Efren must have hit the OB at the right of center-- for whatever reason he did so.
~Doc
Reyes misjudged the shot imo because the angle of the hit needed to pocket the two rail bank would send the cue ball toward the top pocket using a draw stroke. He simply over compensated when he made the adjustment with the hit to stay safely away from the top pocket possible scratch. The shot choice was fine, the hit was executed poorly is the way I see it.
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When shooting shots like this two rail bank we must be cognizant on the hit needed to stay away from leaving a return shot for our opponent. Hitting this shot "long" would be to hit it on the "nonprofessional" side, however, hitting it too short will also leave a return shot but not nearly as often, unless the shot is hit poorly, which was the case.
Dr. Bill
2 railing the 8 ball was a bad choice in this spot. Assuming you don't make it(which it is really low percentage) if you don't leave the 8 ball on the end rail it is useless.. Scott can bank it into the 9 ball from here and if the 8 ball was closer to Efrens side it would just be an easier bank for Scott. The only way you can possibly get in trouble is by doing exactly what Efren did.. He should have moved the 9 ball for sure in this spot.
Isn't that something, all along I thought two railing the 8ball was a good shot, and I still do. Prop bet.
Had Reyes hit the shot accurately the cue ball will end up nearer the far pocket short of the first diamond. From there there will be no return shot on the 8ball, and defending against both the 8ball and 9ball will be problematic. For a good player this option isn't that difficult to execute the way it should be executed for good results. Imo the shooter has the edge for sure shooting this option, providing he's a decent player.
Dr. Bill
You can get 1 ball max or lose 2... great odds If you dont make it or hang it you are going to have to balls right by Scotts hole to deal with.. Frank is with me on this and thats good enough for me.. He just might be the smartest player on this site
P.S. Unless you hang it or make it you will give up a return shot.
Stop it already, this shot is a no brainer for good players. I'll take one of 50 players that I know and bet that they will get the first ball more often than not, matter of fact i'll do it myself.
Then there are the times that the 8ball will end up on a kiss angle for the incoming player, he'll then have to figure out how not to sell out a shot on the 8 or 9ball.
After this shot is executed the 8ball will be much deeper in his quadrant of the table, you're looking at a result that was hit poorly and making a judgement off of that result.:sorry Reyes shot the shot and both Tom and the Ghost agreed that it wasn't a bad shot, matter of fact why don't you ask them what shot they would of shot in this situation.
WWYD???
Dr. Bill
Maybe I would move the 9 ball and leave you, Tom and ghost with your diicks in your hands:frus Its real simple Billy.. Whats the most efren could have gotten? answer 1 What could he lose? answer 2 .
Once again for the 3 wise men.:lol:lol If you don't make or hang it up you will be at a disadvantage...PERIOD
Arguing this point with you is fruitless, you obviously have no backing up in you. I stated that I would gamble on this option being a good one for a good player, if you feel differently all you need to do is show up, or shut up
.cabbage head
Dr. Bill
I agree that the 8 ball was the wrong shot. Efren was reluctant to enter into a wedge game, and he was trying to prove that he could make a tough shot in a poor circumstance.2 railing the 8 ball was a bad choice in this spot. Assuming you don't make it(which it is really low percentage) if you don't leave the 8 ball on the end rail it is useless.. Scott can bank it into the 9 ball from here and if the 8 ball was closer to Efrens side it would just be an easier bank for Scott. The only way you can possibly get in trouble is by doing exactly what Efren did.. He should have moved the 9 ball for sure in this spot.
I will play YOU, Tom or Ghost from this position. First any of you guys can shoot the 2 railer on the 8 with you guys ahead 3 to 2 and all balls in the same position. Then I will clear the 9 ball, up 3 to 2 and all balls in same position. We can play 6 ahead. Lets see how you guys do.:heh:heh
P.S. please now don't come back with some lame excuse about having someone else shoot instead of one of you guys against me because you guys are saying you would shoot it against Scott frost for christs sake
The 8 is the shot that I saw first, and that I want to shoot. That's how I know it's the wrong shot lol. I must say I agree with the hacker that it was not the best shot here. For the reasons he mentioned. He can get one or give up 2. And he's up in the score. And if the 8 doesn't go, and is then banked into the 9, the cue could likely be placed stuck behind the wedge afterwards. Then your one ball advantage looks perilous and there are two balls in your opponents pocket area. Just my late .02.