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Old 11-01-2009, 12:48 PM
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There's been a lot of talk, mostly favorable, about whether or not Rudolph Wanderone should be considered for the 1P Hall of Fame.

In my particular case, during the late 60's and 70's I assumed "Fats" was a joke. I knew he'd stolen the Walter Tevis character's name, had capitalized on it, and made big money because of it. He reportedly was a source of anger and embarrassment to Tevis, and later to his widow. One wonders if Wanderone was ever in any way grateful to the Tevis's.

I saw a few of his TV shows. And while they were entertaining, Fats' play was terrible. Of course by then, Fats had gotten older. His incessant banter was the draw, and he was an expert at that. For that reason, he seemed like a good fit for the BCA HOF, simply because their hall leans toward the commercial success of pool-- not necessarily toward the excellence of their inductees.

Nevertheless, I started hearing rumors that the guy could actually play, and that he'd been a feared back room player, up through his middle years. He'd beaten RA and Kelly, albeit with a little weight. Recently on this site, Jay Helfert, Beard, and others have attested to his high level play. Others, such as Diliberto, have continued to denigrate Fats.

It occurred to me that there is possibly a "resentment factor" in regards Fats. That he has received way too much attention over the years, whereas much more deserving players have remained unheralded in the shadows. There may be some truth to that.

Still, presumably without Fats' influence, our beloved game may not have been brought into modern times. Reportedly he was a big influence in the Jansco's inclusion of 1P at Johnson City. Without Johnson City, 1P may have withered away.

Because of this, and because of his legendary back room 1P prowess, my personal opinion is that Fats, despite having been an insufferable windbag, deserves to be strongly considered for HOF.

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Old 11-01-2009, 01:31 PM
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There's been a lot of talk, mostly favorable, about whether or not Rudolph Wanderone should be considered for the 1P Hall of Fame.

In my particular case, during the late 60's and 70's I assumed "Fats" was a joke. I knew he'd stolen the Walter Tevis character's name, had capitalized on it, and made big money because of it. He reportedly was a source of anger and embarrassment to Tevis, and later to his widow. One wonders if Wanderone was ever in any way grateful to the Tevis's.

I saw a few of his TV shows. And while they were entertaining, Fats' play was terrible. Of course by then, Fats had gotten older. His incessant banter was the draw, and he was an expert at that. For that reason, he seemed like a good fit for the BCA HOF, simply because their hall leans toward the commercial success of pool-- not necessarily toward the excellence of their inductees.

Nevertheless, I started hearing rumors that the guy could actually play, and that he'd been a feared back room player, up through his middle years. He'd beaten RA and Kelly, albeit with a little weight. Recently on this site, Jay Helfert, Beard, and others have attested to his high level play. Others, such as Diliberto, have continued to denigrate Fats.

It occurred to me that there is possibly a "resentment factor" in regards Fats. That he has received way too much attention over the years, whereas much more deserving players have remained unheralded in the shadows. There may be some truth to that.

Still, presumably without Fats' influence, our beloved game may not have been brought into modern times. Reportedly he was a big influence in the Jansco's inclusion of 1P at Johnson City. Without Johnson City, 1P may have withered away.

Because of this, and because of his legendary back room 1P prowess, my personal opinion is that Fats, despite having been an insufferable windbag, deserves to be strongly considered for HOF.

Doc
Doc, FATS Was the greatest, and could play very well. He was one of a kind and had you spent any time around him, you would love him as much as I did. Kind generous and as his orignal nickname implied "triple smart"
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:02 PM
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FATS Was the greatest, and could play very well. He was one of a kind and had you spent any time around him, you would love him as much as I did. Kind generous and as his orignal nickname implied "triple smart"
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I just went back through this thread and decided to bump this.
I said what most have agreed on.
I just used fewer words.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:24 PM
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For anyone that's still unclear, this was a very old thread. Fats was inducted the same year as Parica. Well deserved too. To me he holds even a more special place because of the way he took care of animals..
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What's this about Fats not being in the OnePocket HOF??? That's insane and a complete miscarriage of justice. He promoted the game to the public and I'm guessing in the 40's & 50's he was one of the best at it.

I say we hold a special election right now and vote him in.

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Old 03-27-2013, 06:44 PM
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What's this about Fats not being in the OnePocket HOF??? That's insane and a complete miscarriage of justice. He promoted the game to the public and I'm guessing in the 40's & 50's he was one of the best at it.

I say we hold a special election right now and vote him in.

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I believe most of the posters know he's in. It's such a good thread we've just ignored it.
I did notice 1 or 2 that didn't seem to know, hope they find their way back home tonight.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:51 AM
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For anyone that's still unclear, this was a very old thread. Fats was inducted the same year as Parica. Well deserved too. To me he holds even a more special place because of the way he took care of animals..
For setting a lot of us straight. I, personally, was glad I was out of the loop on this info. It gave me a chance to stick up for my buddy.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:59 AM
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For setting a lot of us straight. I, personally, was glad I was out of the loop on this info. It gave me a chance to stick up for my buddy.
Keep it precise. Alfie
You're excused, I was misled by believing that you were smart and informed. I know that's weak. At least now I know more on ..who's in and who's not.

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:08 AM
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Hey Guys
Im new here and a beginning one pocket player.

Freddy, you mentioned earlier in the thread a story about Red the Preacher. I was in the Cue Club in Vegas when he had the heart attack that killed him, it was around 2004 if im not mistaken. I was playing on table 10 with my wife and Preach went to the can and came out and started staggering towards table 9, in front of mine, and he fell on it. So i went to the counter and told the girl to call 911 for an ambulance and they came and took him away.
The guy checked himself out of the hospital that night or the next one and went home ! He died that night.
I only knew him hello and goodbye but he was always woofing at somebody trying to get something going, either that or talking about the casinos.

Also Freddy, why did you put such a big knock on McGoorty ? I love that book, one of the funniest things i have ever read. After all the bios i have read, nearly everyone b.s. about themself to some extent or another but this guy was about as brutally honest as you could get. He didnt glamorize himself in any way shape or form that i could see, ddint make himself out to be anything more than a knock around guy and a drunk.
Im just curious as i know youre from Chicago and all.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:43 AM
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Hey Guys
Im new here and a beginning one pocket player.

Freddy, you mentioned earlier in the thread a story about Red the Preacher. I was in the Cue Club in Vegas when he had the heart attack that killed him, it was around 2004 if im not mistaken. I was playing on table 10 with my wife and Preach went to the can and came out and started staggering towards table 9, in front of mine, and he fell on it. So i went to the counter and told the girl to call 911 for an ambulance and they came and took him away.
The guy checked himself out of the hospital that night or the next one and went home ! He died that night.
I only knew him hello and goodbye but he was always woofing at somebody trying to get something going, either that or talking about the casinos.

Also Freddy, why did you put such a big knock on McGoorty ? I love that book, one of the funniest things i have ever read. After all the bios i have read, nearly everyone b.s. about themself to some extent or another but this guy was about as brutally honest as you could get. He didnt glamorize himself in any way shape or form that i could see, ddint make himself out to be anything more than a knock around guy and a drunk.
Im just curious as i know youre from Chicago and all.
Thanks.
What the hell did I say about Danny McGoorty? I never even met him or knew him. I think it was Grady who didnt like him.

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