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Old 08-23-2014, 09:39 PM
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ive never heard the break was worth three balls.....................
i beleive most would say the break is worth 1-2 balls so artie was getting a 1-2 ball spot
but he was always starting on the defensive
the more experienced could comment on whats that worth

they never played so its a moot point.....
Good point. Amongst competent one pocket practitioners (as here),the break is worth about 1.5 balls. For people that break off the side with a fully loaded cue ball and tend to make a ball from time to time, such as Alex Pagulayan, it could be worth even more.
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Old 08-23-2014, 09:49 PM
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I've told the story already here about Nick and Arties encounter. If I can find it instead of typing it again, I'll post it. But, I'll give you a hint, Nick and his Dad left with less bankroll!
....it might be a good Idea to find it...so the....story doesn't change.....
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Old 08-23-2014, 11:36 PM
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....it might be a good Idea to find it...so the....story doesn't change.....
I believe the story goes:

Nicks father,wanted him to quit,because they were down alot & Nick tells his dad.

I don`t want to quit "I`m Learning Too Much"
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Old 08-23-2014, 11:41 PM
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I believe the story goes:

Nicks father,wanted him to quit,because they were down alot & Nick tells his dad.

I don`t want to quit "I`m Learning Too Much"
You have the "punch line" to the story CORRECT!
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Old 08-23-2014, 11:55 PM
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You have the "punch line" to the story CORRECT!
3C, what year was that? And what year did Efren come to Chicago to learn 1p? 1985?
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:07 AM
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ive never heard the break was worth three balls.....................
i beleive most would say the break is worth 1-2 balls so artie was getting a 1-2 ball spot
but he was always starting on the defensive
the more experienced could comment on whats that worth

they never played so its a moot point.....
The table has a lot to do with how much the break is worth. A good example, a good player who gave me 10-7 and was winner after playing that game many times, gave me the break after I asked for it, and after I beat him, he said I could forget getting the break, but would give 10-7 again.
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Old 08-24-2014, 12:08 AM
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3C, what year was that? And what year did Efren come to Chicago to learn 1p? 1985?
Nick and Artie played, I think maybe sometime between, 1975 and 1980.

Efren did start hanging around Chicago at the, "Chicago Billiard Cafe" in 1985.
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Old 08-24-2014, 01:35 AM
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3C, what year was that? And what year did Efren come to Chicago to learn 1p? 1985?
Here's the old post from me.

Throughout Arties pool career, He played every top player except Ronnie, (Ronnie couldn't get staked in Milwaukee). During the time he was playing his percentage of winning was an astonishing 99%! I could list 30-40 top players he played and 90% of them, pocketed balls better, ran the balls better, and banked better than him!

So, I guess the BIG question is, "How did he, not only beat, and in some cases torture these top players?" Was it by magic, was it that they were all jarred, were they all dumping? The truth is, He REALLY knows how to play the game, period!

People talk about, Chicago style, Philly style, West coast style, all these styles have flaws in them! Which Artie knew and they didn't! The list of players and places Artie's played is endless, Why do people say he went no where, NOT true he just hustles SUPER SMART! Never used his real name and hardly ever had to show his BEST speed, even playing against BIG guns! Because he knows just after a short time playing whether the guy has any chance at all.

I'll try to make this story short, in the hey day of Freddy's "Northshore Club" Nick Varner passed thru town on his way to some tournament. Artie hadn't been playing pool up there, just mostly cards. Anyway they decide to play some 1 hole for $50 a game. To make it short, Nick beat Artie,17 games in a row! It was late, they quit and Nick had to leave for the tournament the next day. Nick said he was coming back after the tournament and He's play some more. After it was over Artie, Phil G, Freddy and I went to breakfast. So, Freddy says, "What the F**k happened?" You know what Artie's reply was, "Make sure you get down, if he comes back." Freddy spit out his coffee all over his shirt! Artie didn't elaborate.

Nick comes back next with his Dad, He had just won the US open nine ball.
They start out playing for the $300.00, Artie beats him EVERY day for a week, REAL bad! Nick's Dad finally had enough and says to Nick, "Why don't you quit son, your getting killed here!" Nick's reply to his Father was an all time classic, "I can't quit now, I'm learning too much!"

In Vegas some years ago, George Brunt, (all around top player, including pretty fair 3C), told the entire "High Stakes" poker table. "If I knew what Artie's knows about I pocket, I'd beat ANYONE in the world!

Now if that doesn't validate in some way how Artie handled himself at a pool table, then I don't know what else to say!!!!
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Old 08-24-2014, 02:41 AM
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Nicks father,wanted him to quit,because they were down alot & Nick tells his dad.

I don`t want to quit "I`m Learning Too Much"
That's the story Nick told a good friend of mine.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:08 AM
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ive never heard the break was worth three balls.....................
i beleive most would say the break is worth 1-2 balls so artie was getting a 1-2 ball spot
but he was always starting on the defensive
the more experienced could comment on whats that worth

they never played so its a moot point.....
I understand that Ronnie considered his break to be worth more than the conventional 1-1/2 balls or so -- maybe that varied depending on the table and conditions though.
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