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Old 05-05-2007, 10:49 PM
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Freddie,
I counted 13 guys in your replies to my posts that you had in bold indicating you never gambled with them.
A couple of more notes...
You said Johnny Irish died in 1962...Johnny "Johnny Irish" Lineen died on March 17, 1965...that's 75 days into 1965 (your choice of a start date). I'll spot Johnny the 76th day (March 17th) and so not counting that, you still had 75 days in which to match up with him!

You said Ray Martin was only a straight pool player. Well, not counting his 3 King of The Hill 9 Ball victories over stacked fields, I call your attention to the 1998 Worl 1 Pocket Championship in Baton Rouge, La. 3rd place finisher was...RAY MARTIN. I know he played 1 pocket in the 1980's as well.

On the telephone, between making me laugh so hard with your stories, you said "Irving Crane never gambled". In the Jan / Feb 1983 issue of Billiards Digest, on page 24, 3rd colum over, Irving Crane says "I'm not a hustler "by trade"...."I play for money, but there's a difference."

When you said Johnny Vevis "wouldn't play" you...that means you didn't gamble with him.Good call on Alvin "Titanic Thomas" Thompson. He was born in 1892 BUT...although that did make him 73 in 1965, you did not mention any "age requirements" in your original challenge.

All of my above pontificating is done in jest Freddie. I love you a lot and I have loads of respect for you. This is all so much fun though!
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:09 PM
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Freddie,
I just glanced at the list you DID gamble with...Was Bill "Weenie Beanie" Staton on there? If he was, I missed it. On my fiirst two posts, I didn't dare list him becasue I would have been shocked if you 2 didn't lock up.

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Unknown last names:
California California Shorty xxx
Nate Black Nate xxx
Vince Joe Dimaggio from Allingers in Philly xxx
Iceman Black Iceman xxx
Red Jew Town Red xxx
Charley The Ape xxx

***If these phantoms are unknown to EVEN YOU, how, pray tell, are they players "of some reknown." ???

You say you didn't know Bill Stephen, he beat Beanie in the 1994 Roanoke 1 Pocket Championships in May, 1994. Just under Toby Fleharty's speed.
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:01 AM
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On its face I would say no human being could remember that many people he played. I guess some people have unreal recall. Me, I can't remember much after my marriiage.
I will point out one thing though that makes the list suspect. You list One Eye Hank Hurst. You could not have played in from 1965-1990. He committed suicide in 1961. So how old are you Freddy? It is hard to believe you gambled with him in S.F. at that early age and I know Hank didn't go anywhere. He was my best friend from 1956.
There was a Hank from San Francisco that came to Bensingers in the early
60s, I just assumed it was him. Bud Harris (who was also from Frisco) knew him.

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Old 05-06-2007, 10:09 AM
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Keth Ryan Kans City Mo. Isis Pool Hall, Clem gave him a ball, Clem lost, How did you match up with Clem?
Angus McDonald, probably around L.A in the late 60's he was mentioned in the book " Off the Rail" about Okie Sams age.
Mexican Phil, probably not, he was a basket case in the late 60's.
In order to count, the players need some notoriety. They would have had to enter into the stream of action at some point, (tournaments, high rolling, etc.) For example: Cleo Vaughn, who seldom went anywhere, but was a known gambling target for anybody going through Alabama. Local yokels, who never left home court and kept the bet at 20 a game dont qualify.
Clem trapped me on a bar table playing 8 ball. I woke up quickly and quit. He went to jail immediately after that and pretty much quit playing.

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Old 05-06-2007, 10:27 AM
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Freddie,
I counted 13 guys in your replies to my posts that you had in bold indicating you never gambled with them.
A couple of more notes...
You said Johnny Irish died in 1962...Johnny "Johnny Irish" Lineen died on March 17, 1965...that's 75 days into 1965 (your choice of a start date). I'll spot Johnny the 76th day (March 17th) and so not counting that, you still had 75 days in which to match up with him!

You said Ray Martin was only a straight pool player. Well, not counting his 3 King of The Hill 9 Ball victories over stacked fields, I call your attention to the 1998 Worl 1 Pocket Championship in Baton Rouge, La. 3rd place finisher was...RAY MARTIN. I know he played 1 pocket in the 1980's as well.

On the telephone, between making me laugh so hard with your stories, you said "Irving Crane never gambled". In the Jan / Feb 1983 issue of Billiards Digest, on page 24, 3rd colum over, Irving Crane says "I'm not a hustler "by trade"...."I play for money, but there's a difference."

When you said Johnny Vevis "wouldn't play" you...that means you didn't gamble with him.Good call on Alvin "Titanic Thomas" Thompson. He was born in 1892 BUT...although that did make him 73 in 1965, you did not mention any "age requirements" in your original challenge.

All of my above pontificating is done in jest Freddie. I love you a lot and I have loads of respect for you. This is all so much fun though!
I give. You tweaked the list a little, but I'll give you credit for a win. Squirrel, Fats, Taylor, Lassiter were all at the bottom of the gambling careers in 1965 and didnt gamble much after that. Send me your address and size and I'll send you a shirt anyway.
Johnny Irish used to go to Miami every winter and bet horses. The reason for my date of demise is I never got to meet him when I went down to Miami and hung out in Kramer's 79th and Biscayne pool room. He had been there the year before and everybody talked about him with respect and awe. I went to Miami every winter starting in 1961. So I never got to see him play. I thought the reason he wasnt there was because he was dead.

I played Ray Martin in that tourney in Baton Rouge. I also did the commentary on one of his matches. We are good pals, and he did come in 3rd in the tourney, but Ray's just a great pool player. He has little clue about 1pocket and would be the first to admit it.

And actually, I did later specify age requirements. I also never did see Crane lay a bet.



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Old 05-06-2007, 10:39 AM
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Freddie,
I just glanced at the list you DID gamble with...Was Bill "Weenie Beanie" Staton on there? If he was, I missed it. On my fiirst two posts, I didn't dare list him becasue I would have been shocked if you 2 didn't lock up.

Also...
Unknown last names:
California California Shorty xxx
Nate Black Nate xxx
Vince Joe Dimaggio from Allingers in Philly xxx
Iceman Black Iceman xxx
Red Jew Town Red xxx
Charley The Ape xxx

***If these phantoms are unknown to EVEN YOU, how, pray tell, are they players "of some reknown." ???

You say you didn't know Bill Stephen, he beat Beanie in the 1994 Roanoke 1 Pocket Championships in May, 1994. Just under Toby Fleharty's speed.
I only dont know their last names. They are players of reknown. Jay Helfert, for example, knows every one of them. Black Nate is still around. I ran into him at this year's DCC tourney.

The cutoff, remember was 1990. I was on the fade at that point myself.

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Old 05-06-2007, 12:47 PM
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Im not sure if its the same guy, Doc. Harry was a real creep, much disliked. Played real good 3 cushion and real good 1 handed 3 cush. Decent 1 pocket. I must have played Hollywood Jack, but I dont seem to remember doing it. He played at Celebrity Billiards right? If so, I had to have played him. Phillipino Gene and I never got down.
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Yeah, that's the Harry I remember. He was pretty much a true lock artist. I'm sure you'd know the late Hollywood Jack (Gabriele). He started as houseman at Hyd & Western in the late '50s, then he worked out at Chopstick's Billiards on Victory in N Hyd in the '60s. But he played pool and cards all over L.A. County. I'm sure he played at Celebrity and also Ye Billiard Den. Below is a thread from several months back about Jack. There's a link Steve put up about him with pictures.

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showt...hollywood+jack

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Old 05-06-2007, 02:04 PM
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In order to count, the players need some notoriety. They would have had to enter into the stream of action at some point, (tournaments, high rolling, etc.) For example: Cleo Vaughn, who seldom went anywhere, but was a known gambling target for anybody going through Alabama. Local yokels, who never left home court and kept the bet at 20 a game dont qualify.
Clem trapped me on a bar table playing 8 ball. I woke up quickly and quit. He went to jail immediately after that and pretty much quit playing.

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How about
Junior Preston
Mark Tadd
Portland Don Watson and Long Beach

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Old 05-06-2007, 03:16 PM
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The first guy that accumulates ten players I ducked or missed will win a Banking With The Beard T-shirt and a BWTB or The GosPool Book. This wont be easy. There are very few players that I didnt cross swords with. Further details will be posted by Steve very soon.

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Freddie,
Counting Weenie Beanie now, do I have enough for the GosPool?
Thanks,
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:57 PM
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I don't know too many from back in the day Freddie and I'm from the north east...

Jimmy Mats
Lou Johnson (Delaware)
Delaware dogs
Russell Parsons
Andy Toth
Dave Daya
Florida Bob Maidhoff
Kevin Milbourne
Don Polo

spelling might be a bit off, but thats all I can think of right now.

Gerry
Jimmy Matts was most definitely a gambler and a great, great 9-ball player from Pennsylvania who committed suicide in the 90s.

Russell Parsons was a very strong all-around player from Delaware. Doesn't play anymore. Gambled high.

Dave Daya is/was a very strong 9-ball player from central Pennsylvania. Played lower pro-speed in the 80s and 90s. Still plays strong. he's about 60. He plays about Larry Price's speed and is about the same age.

Don Polo was a strong straight pool player from ?New Jersey. Doesn't play anymore.
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