Fatboy
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I'm comming here humbly asking for advice, I been playing pool for $$$ since 83, seriously playing for $$$ every time posible since85 to 93 then (on and off for a few yrs). I'm not much of a tournemnt player not to hide my speed or lack of speed-I just dont like tournaments. I am however gonna play in the 1P tournament coming up in vegas to show support. If I win a single game i'll be happy.
Sorry I got side tracked, my point is I have always been a $$$ player. When i was short $$$ until 2001, I was small action, so small it went unnoticed, $100 sets was about as big ass it got, ad a $750 pot in a 3 ball game I didnt win-the shot of the century cost me that $750, I went flat that night about $150ish. I was nickle and dine action-it was the best I could come up with.
now moving forward 10-17 years I am well healed, not like I was 4 years ago, I lost over 80% of my net worth since then but, that gut check was good for me. And I still love action much as ever-not getting robbed. It makes me want to bet more and be in more action. Fat dogs dont hunt, well I aint fat anymore so I want to go hunting. Not $50-$100/1p practice pool, but reasonably big action. not $500,000 either. LOL.
What hasnt changed since 85 is one thing, I like to play for $$$$ by the game, not races, not ahead sets, just by the game, loser reserves the right to quit or a pre set time limit. this is my favorite way to bet $$$ on pool, or ring games(but thats a different topic).
Here is the problem I been in $1000/gm 8 ball with a poker player who can play some pool(i'm not bragging about the bet, its not that big but I want people to realize were not playing $50 practice pool), I could get hurt at that price especially because i'm always stuck and he quits even on me. He isnt banger, Id say he is a C player in Sacramento. I give him the hit and 4/5 pick every other game in 8 ball. I was giving the hit and 5 pick but lost everything I was up $4500 i think plus $5000 more. he was laying 6/5 on the $$$ line with 5 hit and the pick Since we switched 4/5 we broke ever the past 3 sessions playing for even $$$$, I couldn't beat 5 picks(they have been kinda short sessions). He rarely misses when he has a shot, he banks about 5 balls better than he plays(Broomback might be in trouble if this guy decided to learn to play banks) Geez for his speed Lord can he bank. He dosent realize how good he banks.
I always get stuck 2,3,4 games and then come out of my what ever and and drop into the zone and get out with good play, but i really dont see it, Cotton tells me about it afterwards-i'm in such a zone all I see one ball at a time now matter if easy or hard they all look the same to me, i just do what I have to to win. I have played a few monster Artie Safeties that would make artrie proud-they won me the game, i can think of 2 of them. Like I said Cotton has seen it and told me afterwards, I really dont remember what I did/do; I just know I have to win cause I dont want to lose. When we get even he pulls up. He is triple smart and a very good poker player/gambler I cant out manage him and will not lie, I like him and while we gamble I value his friendship and i have never cheated at pool to win. I need to be able to get in this zone when I'm up if I'm gonna book winners no matter who i'm playing. Thats why I dont like sets, i have to be down 2 sets before I remember how to play, so I break even again. Playing from behind has awalys come natural to me and yeah its important to do that to be a champion, it sure as heck aint worth 25 cents in action. Its a fast express ticket to the soup line-I like soup but not that soup.
This was the case in 85 when I was playing for $5/game, I'd get 3 games ahead and I wouldnt get weak-i just couldnt get that last nail in the cofin, I remember playing a guy $50/game on the 10" snooker table-we went across town the bet went up to $350/game, I needed to pot a easy 6, I missed, I was up $500ish, he came back and busted me I lost $400ish a $900 swing on a case 6 ball. this was in 89. I just missed, didnt jump, flinch, take my eye off the ball. I just missed. I had him stuck all night, the rail had tons bet for back then and where we were this was big action.
I just am having a hard time closing the deal in action, i'm not embarrassed to admit it I just want to fix it, hell I fixed other problems in my game so why not this?. Same today I get 3-4 games ahead, I had the poker player on case $$$ he was breaking down his cue I was up $5,000 and I slow rolled(for no good reason) the 8 and it stopped short of falling in-didnt hit the pocket facing just didnt have enough pace on the shot, He fought back to even that night, 99% of the time I'm gonna hit that 8 ball pocket speed and make it. I didnt lose I broke even, but I had him on his case $$$ 3 times that night and couldnt close it out with 3 chances. When I'm stuck I'm stuck 3 games I play much better and on my case $$$ I wont ever miss that 8, it was sickening. I felt like I lost $5,000. I'm not closing out my customers. Dave Knottingnham taught me alot about customers and closing them out at the right time, this game is too close to control like that, i have to play my best to win. But at my best I do have the best of it, I triede to raise the bet to $2000/game or $5,000; I said "Them more you play for the more fun it is". I really like him and I hope he dose raise the bet, he will I think after a few more sessions. he aint gonna go for 10 a game he is too smart. Its a big risk to me, I dont have $$$ like before and at $10K/game I could get hurt-but I'd still play, I love action. And he is a great guy to play. he is a gentleman like JA or SVB.
Somehow I need to get that "Eye of the Tiger" thing going when i'm up. Cause playing from behind will awalys get to break even and lose on a bad day. I been in lots of action lately, past 3 weeks and I have won 3 times lost 2 times and broke out even 4 times. 2 of the 3 werent real action I had way the best of it, so I only really only one time-and I did play great that night everything was working.
So after this book of a post, how do I become a good front runner??? Mike Seigal reminds me of a front runner, JA sure as hell is but I wont ask him, I really need learn to win, all i'm doing is not losing. I'm playing good pool not to lose, not good pool to win-and that makes me a loser. I'm comming with some big shots-nerves of steel-when I'm behind, Cotton has seen it all. he will vouch for me. But i cant pull those shots off when i'm up. and thats no good in the long run, under the heat I'm at my best, now and the same in 85. Sure I play better, i'm older, have a backache, bigger bank roll but the nature of my win/loss patterns is similar. Back then I would "go fishing" took what ever I won and played better players for lessons. But those days are gone.
Teach me to close-please. Thanks in advance.
thanks
Fatboy
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to share some of my past in the hopes of giving someone insight into what I can do. I dont mind putting this biz on the street because the poker player wants to play me only so I dont have to protect a Mark, he isnt a mark-he is a good friend and good action, thats shed light on a problem I have suff4ered from for years, playing good from behind and not playing worth 10 cents with a lead.
Sorry I got side tracked, my point is I have always been a $$$ player. When i was short $$$ until 2001, I was small action, so small it went unnoticed, $100 sets was about as big ass it got, ad a $750 pot in a 3 ball game I didnt win-the shot of the century cost me that $750, I went flat that night about $150ish. I was nickle and dine action-it was the best I could come up with.
now moving forward 10-17 years I am well healed, not like I was 4 years ago, I lost over 80% of my net worth since then but, that gut check was good for me. And I still love action much as ever-not getting robbed. It makes me want to bet more and be in more action. Fat dogs dont hunt, well I aint fat anymore so I want to go hunting. Not $50-$100/1p practice pool, but reasonably big action. not $500,000 either. LOL.
What hasnt changed since 85 is one thing, I like to play for $$$$ by the game, not races, not ahead sets, just by the game, loser reserves the right to quit or a pre set time limit. this is my favorite way to bet $$$ on pool, or ring games(but thats a different topic).
Here is the problem I been in $1000/gm 8 ball with a poker player who can play some pool(i'm not bragging about the bet, its not that big but I want people to realize were not playing $50 practice pool), I could get hurt at that price especially because i'm always stuck and he quits even on me. He isnt banger, Id say he is a C player in Sacramento. I give him the hit and 4/5 pick every other game in 8 ball. I was giving the hit and 5 pick but lost everything I was up $4500 i think plus $5000 more. he was laying 6/5 on the $$$ line with 5 hit and the pick Since we switched 4/5 we broke ever the past 3 sessions playing for even $$$$, I couldn't beat 5 picks(they have been kinda short sessions). He rarely misses when he has a shot, he banks about 5 balls better than he plays(Broomback might be in trouble if this guy decided to learn to play banks) Geez for his speed Lord can he bank. He dosent realize how good he banks.
I always get stuck 2,3,4 games and then come out of my what ever and and drop into the zone and get out with good play, but i really dont see it, Cotton tells me about it afterwards-i'm in such a zone all I see one ball at a time now matter if easy or hard they all look the same to me, i just do what I have to to win. I have played a few monster Artie Safeties that would make artrie proud-they won me the game, i can think of 2 of them. Like I said Cotton has seen it and told me afterwards, I really dont remember what I did/do; I just know I have to win cause I dont want to lose. When we get even he pulls up. He is triple smart and a very good poker player/gambler I cant out manage him and will not lie, I like him and while we gamble I value his friendship and i have never cheated at pool to win. I need to be able to get in this zone when I'm up if I'm gonna book winners no matter who i'm playing. Thats why I dont like sets, i have to be down 2 sets before I remember how to play, so I break even again. Playing from behind has awalys come natural to me and yeah its important to do that to be a champion, it sure as heck aint worth 25 cents in action. Its a fast express ticket to the soup line-I like soup but not that soup.
This was the case in 85 when I was playing for $5/game, I'd get 3 games ahead and I wouldnt get weak-i just couldnt get that last nail in the cofin, I remember playing a guy $50/game on the 10" snooker table-we went across town the bet went up to $350/game, I needed to pot a easy 6, I missed, I was up $500ish, he came back and busted me I lost $400ish a $900 swing on a case 6 ball. this was in 89. I just missed, didnt jump, flinch, take my eye off the ball. I just missed. I had him stuck all night, the rail had tons bet for back then and where we were this was big action.
I just am having a hard time closing the deal in action, i'm not embarrassed to admit it I just want to fix it, hell I fixed other problems in my game so why not this?. Same today I get 3-4 games ahead, I had the poker player on case $$$ he was breaking down his cue I was up $5,000 and I slow rolled(for no good reason) the 8 and it stopped short of falling in-didnt hit the pocket facing just didnt have enough pace on the shot, He fought back to even that night, 99% of the time I'm gonna hit that 8 ball pocket speed and make it. I didnt lose I broke even, but I had him on his case $$$ 3 times that night and couldnt close it out with 3 chances. When I'm stuck I'm stuck 3 games I play much better and on my case $$$ I wont ever miss that 8, it was sickening. I felt like I lost $5,000. I'm not closing out my customers. Dave Knottingnham taught me alot about customers and closing them out at the right time, this game is too close to control like that, i have to play my best to win. But at my best I do have the best of it, I triede to raise the bet to $2000/game or $5,000; I said "Them more you play for the more fun it is". I really like him and I hope he dose raise the bet, he will I think after a few more sessions. he aint gonna go for 10 a game he is too smart. Its a big risk to me, I dont have $$$ like before and at $10K/game I could get hurt-but I'd still play, I love action. And he is a great guy to play. he is a gentleman like JA or SVB.
Somehow I need to get that "Eye of the Tiger" thing going when i'm up. Cause playing from behind will awalys get to break even and lose on a bad day. I been in lots of action lately, past 3 weeks and I have won 3 times lost 2 times and broke out even 4 times. 2 of the 3 werent real action I had way the best of it, so I only really only one time-and I did play great that night everything was working.
So after this book of a post, how do I become a good front runner??? Mike Seigal reminds me of a front runner, JA sure as hell is but I wont ask him, I really need learn to win, all i'm doing is not losing. I'm playing good pool not to lose, not good pool to win-and that makes me a loser. I'm comming with some big shots-nerves of steel-when I'm behind, Cotton has seen it all. he will vouch for me. But i cant pull those shots off when i'm up. and thats no good in the long run, under the heat I'm at my best, now and the same in 85. Sure I play better, i'm older, have a backache, bigger bank roll but the nature of my win/loss patterns is similar. Back then I would "go fishing" took what ever I won and played better players for lessons. But those days are gone.
Teach me to close-please. Thanks in advance.
thanks
Fatboy
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to share some of my past in the hopes of giving someone insight into what I can do. I dont mind putting this biz on the street because the poker player wants to play me only so I dont have to protect a Mark, he isnt a mark-he is a good friend and good action, thats shed light on a problem I have suff4ered from for years, playing good from behind and not playing worth 10 cents with a lead.
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