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Old 03-13-2012, 05:12 PM
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I have 32 AccuStats Bankpool matches and the "common sense" approach that would be normal in a gambling game or a full-rack game doesn't apply most of the time. The 7 ball that you & catfishbreath breath like is the logical, common-sense thing to do but not in a short-race short-rack tournament match. It's not so much what you do as what the opponent will do given any chance at all.

Guys playing from behind shoot at white flags and often beat the "better" player or the player who "did the right thing". It's odd but it must be considered in the equation and that is your long suit, right?

I'll put up a couple bankpool situations in the next two days (don't draw any inferences just because of the layouts either, I'm tricky).

Bear in mind that I can always post layouts to prove a point but I will not do that. The facts are that quite often in these tourney matches guys shoot the clearly "wrong" shot and win. Don't forget that a lot of these guys are 9-Ball players and are just taking a shot at the banks division ala Scot Frost. They only know how to shoot, not how to move.

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When I say shoot the best shot available to win the game with, you must take into consideration many variables; Speed of opponent, score of game, ball position. There isn't anything black and white that we can apply to every situation. We will do our best and win more often, once we become accustomed to the value in all of those areas. And to further complicate this area, it's all based off of one's discretion. What's new.

looking forward to your situations.

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Old 03-13-2012, 09:47 PM
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Bill,

You & catfishbreath both make good points that I would apply more to a full-rack gambling game than a tourney match. In this situation DeMarco had a chance to win the game & the match. If he made the 7 and then missed a tougher shot he's playing a guy who could run 4 and win. Those things must be balanced against each other in a short-race short-rack bank game.

I would still bank the 2 cross-side, exactly as he hit it, firm & with draw. That shot is the nuts for a bankpool player who needs three from there. Many times in these short-race matches a guy may do what you suggest and lock up the duck and then end up losing because the other guy shoots & makes "balls he shouldn't have shot" but only did because it's a short race or because he needs so many.

A month or two ago catfishbreath was talking about shooting wide-open in these short-race matches as the best way to win now he's backpedaling a little

P.S. One example of a guy shooting the wrong shots and winning anyway is the Piggy/Truman match. Piggy had a 2 games to 0 lead in that match and it still went 5 games (I don't remember who won). When a player gets a lead in a bankpool match, quite often his opponent starts shooting at everything and at this level all he needs to do is make one ball to give him a chance to run out. Guys are very dangerous in these short-race matches when playing from behind just for that reason.

One other strange thing also happens in these short-rack games: A player may need 4 or 5 balls and then run 3 or 4 and when he's shooting his game ball he let's up on the stroke and shoots almost pocket speed and usually misses the ball. Playing from behind they throw all caution to the wind but as soon as they get even or ahead they freeze-up a little. It's a phenomena that I've seen so many times now that I expect it to happen.
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Yeah,I'm going to start playing wideopen again.It's more fun anyway.And the crowd likes it..By the way.I play it one ball at a time and I think there is no such thing as a lead in a race to 3 short rack banks set.That's how i think and that's how i roll.Really there is just many variables that go into these short rack races that you guys will never get it perfect.Keep trying though
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:49 AM
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Yeah,I'm going to start playing wideopen again.It's more fun anyway.And the crowd likes it..By the way.I play it one ball at a time and I think there is no such thing as a lead in a race to 3 short rack banks set.That's how i think and that's how i roll.Really there is just many variables that go into these short rack races that you guys will never get it perfect.Keep trying though
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since old threads are all the vogue.....

here's a bump from a 1p.org classic. (freddy even gets in a good natured rub on sjd....)

from better times when dennis and billy got along......

where have all the flowers gone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgXNVA9ngx8


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since old threads are all the vogue.....

here's a bump from a 1p.org classic. (freddy even gets in a good natured rub on sjd....)

from better times when dennis and billy got along......

where have all the flowers gone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgXNVA9ngx8

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sorry rodney.
we need to police this with some synchronicity
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