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Old 03-02-2012, 03:27 PM
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PS: I hate to brag but.. I have won every single full rack bank tourny since the late 80's... and still counting. Just thought i would throw this out there
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:07 PM
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Ever have Efren call you lucky?
No but I have been very lucky and have got alot of rolls when i needed them John B.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:48 PM
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I can't believe no one has picked the right shot yet.I saw the shot even before Dennis put up the second pic.As soon as i got to the table i wouldn't be looking at anything else but shooting that 6 into the 8 and knocking them both down table and sticking the cball right there on the rail.
Best shot by far in this situation with the score as it is.

PS: I hate to brag but.. I have won every single full rack bank tourny since the late 80's... and still counting. Just thought i would throw this out there
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You kidding? The 6 into the 8 would be a good shot if you were ahead or you only needed 3. You need FOUR. There are only 3 balls open. If you knocked those balls up the table on me I would do all I could to NOT make any of those hanging balls and instead try to clip off of one of those sticking out, and bring the cue ball back up table. Maintaining the situation whereby I could still win and you cant. Here is something to think about. If you dont knock off one of those hanging balls right now, it is entirely possible that you will never get another chance to do it. I could shoot with impugnity, maybe even off of the end rail, secure in the knowledge that you cant win next up. If you or anybody else cant see the reasoning in that, I give up.

Incidentally, you did forget the bank tournament at Chris's Billiards in Chicago that Tough Tony Brewer won.

If we are going to have a pissing contest, I will grant you as being the best banker in the world today. However, dey aint no humin kin outmove me in full or short rack. And dat's a fact. You wouldnt want to put it up to your homeboy Truman would you?

Dont feel bad, you should be happy to be the best banker on earth. But that other thing is all mine.

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Old 03-03-2012, 10:00 AM
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You kidding? The 6 into the 8 would be a good shot if you were ahead or you only needed 3. You need FOUR. There are only 3 balls open. If you knocked those balls up the table on me I would do all I could to NOT make any of those hanging balls and instead try to clip off of one of those sticking out, and bring the cue ball back up table. Maintaining the situation whereby I could still win and you cant. Here is something to think about. If you dont knock off one of those hanging balls right now, it is entirely possible that you will never get another chance to do it. I could shoot with impugnity, maybe even off of the end rail, secure in the knowledge that you cant win next up. If you or anybody else cant see the reasoning in that, I give up.

Incidentally, you did forget the bank tournament at Chris's Billiards in Chicago that Tough Tony Brewer won.

If we are going to have a pissing contest, I will grant you as being the best banker in the world today. However, dey aint no humin kin outmove me in full or short rack. And dat's a fact. You wouldnt want to put it up to your homeboy Truman would you?

Dont feel bad, you should be happy to be the best banker on earth. But that other thing is all mine.

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Sir Master Beard.A Big no.I did not forget that tourny.I did mention it.That was the first and only one that I haven't won.We are not going to have a pissing contest.I am not allowed to brag a little too? But thanks for giving me that title.I appreciate it alot,Sir Beard.

PS: LOL Truman aint never moved in his whole life.You know that,LOL.
I don't feel bad.I feel very good.Thank you again.My braggin days are over.
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:03 AM
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Just happened to be in the neighborhood so I decided to drop by and visit with my bank pool friends. Now that i'm here I would like to offer my thoughts on situations like this one.

Playing 9 ball bank pool when trailing 3 balls to 1 ball your best scenario would be for all balls to be positioned where they would be bankable. Not only where they would be bankable but bankable in multiple pockets. The trailer can't afford to have pockets jammed like they are in this situation, and also the 6 and 8 balls aren't laying in a good position for the trailer (Demarco) as well. With the pockets jammed it lends to a grindiing game..something Demarco can't afford to play. But as we all know, changing the furniture around can be difficult, especially if there is little time to do it. Understanding this our objective should be to move the furniture at the earliest..best time possible, and that's what you have here. What makes this a great time to start moving furniture is the spotted ball Here you have the perfect situation to start your plan to obtain the best scenario for this situation, in terms of the score. By pocketing the ball that the Master Beard suggest you will clear the pocket, and put another ball in play, and most importantly the ball you pocket will go in a safe position behind the spotted ball. Now you have just added the main ingredient into the recipe for success. Pressure on your opponent.

We can go back and forth about what shot is the better shot for certain situations, but one thing that can't be denied, and that is applying pressure will always be an ally for the player who needs it applied.

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Old 03-03-2012, 10:30 AM
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Just happened to be in the neighborhood so I decided to drop by and visit with my bank pool friends. Now that i'm here I would like to offer my thoughts on situations like this one.

Playing 9 ball bank pool when trailing 3 balls to 1 ball your best scenario would be for all balls to be positioned where they would be bankable. Not only where they would be bankable but bankable in multiple pockets. The trailer can't afford to have pockets jammed like they are in this situation, and also the 6 and 8 balls aren't laying in a good position for the trailer (Demarco) as well. With the pockets jammed it lends to a grindiing game..something Demarco can't afford to play. But as we all know, changing the furniture around can be difficult, especially if there is little time to do it. Understanding this our objective should be to move the furniture at the earliest..best time possible, and that's what you have here. What makes this a great time to start moving furniture is the spotted ball Here you have the perfect situation to start your plan to obtain the best scenario for this situation, in terms of the score. By pocketing the ball that the Master Beard suggest you will clear the pocket, and put another ball in play, and most importantly the ball you pocket will go in a safe position behind the spotted ball. Now you have just added the main ingredient into the recipe for success. Pressure on your opponent.

We can go back and forth about what shot is the better shot for certain situations, but one thing that can't be denied, and that is applying pressure will always be an ally for the player who needs it applied.

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Old 03-03-2012, 10:39 AM
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Sir Master Beard.A Big no.I did not forget that tourny.I did mention it.That was the first and only one that I haven't won.We are not going to have a pissing contest.I am not allowed to brag a little too? But thanks for giving me that title.I appreciate it alot,Sir Beard.

PS: LOL Truman aint never moved in his whole life.You know that,LOL.
I don't feel bad.I feel very good.Thank you again.My braggin days are over.
John B.
...because you can check thru 6 years of me posting on this site, I probably havent ever before said anybody was the best in the world (beside myself) at anything. Mainly because the call was always too close before.

Being the world's best you should be able to brag all you want. I surely wont complain. (There are some on here who do take offense tho, for whatever reason.)

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Old 03-03-2012, 02:32 PM
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...because you can check thru 6 years of me posting on this site, I probably havent ever before said anybody was the best in the world (beside myself) at anything. Mainly because the call was always too close before.

Being the world's best you should be able to brag all you want. I surely wont complain. (There are some on here who do take offense tho, for whatever reason.)

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Old 03-03-2012, 03:39 PM
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I don't believe I've given my take on this layout so now I will.

As much as I don't want to move the 6 & 8 I would shoot them away leaving the cueball on the headrail. My reasons are as follows: It's very easy to stop the cueball there and leave my opponent long. All bank players know that sometimes to get a shot you have to give up a shot, just make sure you leave a long & difficult shot with your opponent shooting off the headrail. I'll just have to take whatever comes next.

Next reason is this: The 4 ball is deep in the hole so you will be hitting it (if coming off the siderail) thin leaving open the very real possibility of scratching 3 rails or even hitting the 6 or 8 and scratching off them or giving up an easy shot on them.

You are playing a guy (Fargo) who makes good moves on every shot, maybe the best mover I've yet seen on an AccuStat DVD, a moving game will probably hurt you more than him. Let him shoot off the headrail at balls 8 or 9 feet away, you might just come up with a shot. If not then you are no worse off than you are now and you at least controlled the game and limited his responses and made them tough. If he beats you shooting off the headrail then it wasn't your game to win anyway, that's how I look at it.

That's my take on the shot.

DeMarco speared the 3 ball straight-back.


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Old 03-03-2012, 05:46 PM
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I don't believe I've given my take on this layout so now I will.

As much as I don't want to move the 6 & 8 I would shoot them away leaving the cueball on the headrail. My reasons are as follows: It's very easy to stop the cueball there and leave my opponent long. All bank players know that sometimes to get a shot you have to give up a shot, just make sure you leave a long & difficult shot with your opponent shooting off the headrail. I'll just have to take whatever comes next.

Next reason is this: The 4 ball is deep in the hole so you will be hitting it (if coming off the siderail) thin leaving open the very real possibility of scratching 3 rails or even hitting the 6 or 8 and scratching off them or giving up an easy shot on them.

You are playing a guy (Fargo) who makes good moves on every shot, maybe the best mover I've yet seen on an AccuStat DVD, a moving game will probably hurt you more than him. Let him shoot off the headrail at balls 8 or 9 feet away, you might just come up with a shot. If not then you are no worse off than you are now and you at least controlled the game and limited his responses and made them tough. If he beats you shooting off the headrail then it wasn't your game to win anyway, that's how I look at it.

That's my take on the shot.

DeMarco speared the 3 ball straight-back.


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You can see from where he left himself the 4 is a little deep in the hole but I thought that could be seen in the other pics as well.


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Just happened to notice Cowboy's post on the shot, and he is correct when he say's that the angle and deepness of the ball hanging will present problems for the option that Fred suggested, and I agreed with. Can't argue that point, as much as I would like. But if the angle was a better one, and the hanging ball allowed you to play the shot comfortably I would suggest the same shot that Fred and I liked. I think that I brought up quite a few good points when evaluating situations like this one and hopefully some of you guys made sense of what I shared.

Brumback's choice with shooting the 6 and 8 balls away is also a good option, considering how the balls are positioned. I like his option best after reevaluating the situation, thanks to Cowboy. Which goes to prove that my grandfather knew what he was talking about when he told me that "two heads are better than one head, even if one head is a cabbage head"

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