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Old 06-07-2012, 10:20 PM
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Default "PiggyBanks" vs. E. Strickland 2012 D.C.C.

Earl broke and made two balls. He then banked the 7 ball cross-side. It's still his shot. What would you do?

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Old 06-08-2012, 01:38 AM
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Default Cross the 8.....

....down table and leave the CB on the top rail.Basically playing safe as I dont like any of the shots available of which there are about 4.A fun shot would be to play the 5 2 rails with lots of right english but you leave too much.Cheers,B
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:47 AM
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....down table and leave the CB on the top rail.Basically playing safe as I dont like any of the shots available of which there are about 4.A fun shot would be to play the 5 2 rails with lots of right english but you leave too much.Cheers,B
And what do you do with the one ball? That safe is not good. The 5 ball 2 or 3 rails cross side is probably what I would play, but I just happen to know that shot pretty well. I would be no more than a 6 or 7 to 5 underdog to make it.
With the balls all open like that, any miss might cost the whole game. To play conservatively and let the opponent be the one to shoot at a bad percentage shot, I would just roll the 1 ball up by the back corner pocket, blocking the cross corner on the 8 ball. Leaving him with only a bad percentage full cut cross side, bad PC twice cross corner or bad PC straight back.

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Old 06-08-2012, 08:52 AM
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....figured the CB would be close to the end rail and close to the center of it and the angle wouldnt be there to shoot the 1.That being said I like your safe better.Its funny with 5-6 balls all open and cant stiffen a one of them very easily.....the 5 ball is a crowd pleaser,too bad its not the last ball so it would behoove one to shoot it,cheers,Jack
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:10 AM
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I can't tell if he can cross the 8 ball straight back without a kiss, and float the CB over to the head rail, preferably by the corner pocket near the 1 ball. Otherwise, Beard's safety looks real good.

I don't know if Earl plays many safeties. If not, he probably fired the 8 straight back. Incidentally Fred-- the tables play so short down here that the 3 ball can be banked straight back without english. Hit it wide, and it'll bend right around.

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....figured the CB would be close to the end rail and close to the center of it and the angle wouldnt be there to shoot the 1.That being said I like your safe better.Its funny with 5-6 balls all open and cant stiffen a one of them very easily.....the 5 ball is a crowd pleaser,too bad its not the last ball so it would behoove one to shoot it,cheers,Jack
Even if the 1 ball was unplayable, you would end up losing the move, Jack, when Piggy would just shoot the 1 uptable and bring the cue ball back to the end rail.

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Old 06-08-2012, 11:33 AM
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I can't tell if he can cross the 8 ball straight back without a kiss, and float the CB over to the head rail, preferably by the corner pocket near the 1 ball. Otherwise, Beard's safety looks real good.

I don't know if Earl plays many safeties. If not, he probably fired the 8 straight back. Incidentally Fred-- the tables play so short down here that the 3 ball can be banked straight back without english. Hit it wide, and it'll bend right around.

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So far, good Doctor, you have been the only guy really interested in the why's and wherefore's of shot selection -- as per your comments and questions on that Shane 1pkt thread.
I dont like to burn up ink and waste my time trying to defend a shot selection against all other shot selections. To try and determine what to do on one particular, certain shot is a worthless endeavor. Exact shots come up every thousand years. Situations, however, come up all the time.
I try to teach -- as I was taught -- situational one pocket. Stuff that enables you to think thru every predicament.
That's why, because there are exceptions to every rule, there may be a quantitatively better option than mine for that exact shot but I try and present a working concept to that particular type situation that will serve you faithfully many, many times over.

If my pool ego wasnt so set in stone I might take offense at the comments some of my options get, especially in the bank forum. The fact that some of the best players in the world ask me for advice, and Piggy Banks and Jet Johnson call me "The Master," notwithstanding, it is a little discouraging to post on the forum and not be taken seriously enough.

You see I especially like to make an unorthodox comment, because if the shot is so obvious what do you need me for? And rather than going to pieces, because it might not make sense at first light, I am awaiting someone to use some reason and ask themselves questions like, "Well, the Beard is supposed to know the game, so why would he suggest doing something that appears to be risky or unusual?" "I guess he aint senile, so there must be something more to it." Yes, more important than a particular shot is the concept and motives behind it. So far you have been the only one that took that line of thought.

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Old 06-08-2012, 11:58 AM
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You could cross the 8 and leave the cball down behind the one.That wouldn't ba a bad shot but I would playing postion to runout by shooting the 5 twice cross side.For me, this shot is about 70% make.Stun the cball with a half of tip of right,med.speed.Cball goes left and hits that 3ball.Earl might even know this shot. John B.

PS: Fred,I read your stuff and I hope you don't think I argue with ya.I don't think I do and I try not to.Like you said this aint exactness though.You and I have a different style that both work,IMO.You like short smart shots and I like 9fters jacked up off the end rail, Cheer up Fred,Most people like reading and hearing your ideas and theroys..myself included.Good day Mr. Beard.
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......dig it Freddie regarding the 1 and other situations and concepts that I am not aware of.You be the master as they say,cheers,Jack PS.Good to see you back Doc.....
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A fun shot would be to play the 5 2 rails with lots of right english but you leave too much.Cheers,B
Leave too much? Earl don't care about leaves. He whacked the 5 two-rails cross-side.

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