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Old 10-06-2014, 02:33 PM
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That is a good question - I expected to see it.

Yes, some follow is transferred to the OB for that shot. And since the first OB is momentarily trapped between the CB and the second OB (like a bank with the OB frozen to the rail), more than the usual amount of follow is transferred - but still not more than "natural rolling" follow. I don't believe that draw on the CB, even in the most advantageous cases like this, can ever transfer enough follow to the OB to equal rolling follow.

Also, it's not commonly known, but the OB is forced forward quite a bit in that shot even without draw on the CB - I'm told (by people who should know, like Bob Jewett, Ron Shepard and Dr. Dave) that it can theoretically be made without any transferred follow if it's hit at just the right angle (aimed at a point 1/10 of the way from the end rail center diamond to the corner pocket). I've never been able to make it that way, but I believe these guys, especially when they all agree.

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I find I usually agree with you and appreciate the way you try to analyze this stuff even when I don't (or, more often, can't decide.) I also get some guilty pleasure at your expense for some of the cracks sent your way by the weisenheimers.
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Old 10-06-2014, 03:03 PM
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I find I usually agree with you and appreciate the way you try to analyze this stuff even when I don't (or, more often, can't decide.) I also get some guilty pleasure at your expense for some of the cracks sent your way by the weisenheimers.
I enjoy a good weisenheimer crack too, even at my expense.

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Old 10-06-2014, 03:14 PM
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Back to original query about banks with draw running long. My take is this - when we bankers crank these banks, the cushion compresses quite a bit. When it does, the ball comes barreling out of there at angle that typically produces SLIDE. What this means is that the cue ball arcs a bit. The transferred high English affects this arc and can make banks run long, particularly long rail banks that have have the opportunity to slide and arc the entire nine feet.

John Brumbeck is a proponent of this observation.

I am sort of in your camp, Patrick - a lot of great bankers insist this phenomenon exists, but it seems like it may not be as pronounced as some claim. I would be surprised if we could get video evidence of it on a short rail bank. On a long rail bank, there is much more room to see the effect as the ball slips and slides against 9' of cloth.

And responsive to an earlier question you had, yes, it matters how far away the object ball is from the cushion because transferred English dissipates as it fights against the cloth. In reading Beard's book, you will notice he tells you how to make certain banks "if they are within 4" of the rail.". This is why.
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Old 10-06-2014, 03:41 PM
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I summed up my thoughts over in the banking section JB
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Old 10-06-2014, 04:33 PM
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lol. No slings or arrows intended here PJ. Questioning should always be ok.
Especially if the source is AZ or I should say absolutely if the source is AZ.
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Old 10-06-2014, 04:35 PM
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Yes, to question the Kentucky King and His Beard is madness... yet there is method in 't.

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Just because they named a state after me,
I have never claimed to be the King of Kentucky.
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Old 10-06-2014, 08:38 PM
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The more I learn about banking the more I believe that there is only one proper way to play each bank.

You can shoot them other ways but they don't go in as often.

I'm only talking about making them --> Not when playing moves/safe shots.


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Old 10-06-2014, 08:52 PM
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The more I learn about banking the more I believe that there is only one proper way to play each bank.

You can shoot them other ways but they don't go in as often.

I'm only talking about making them --> Not when playing moves/safe shots.


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care to share you revelation
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Old 10-06-2014, 09:30 PM
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care to share you revelation
Larry,the highlighted part should be in the bank forum.This is the onepocket JB
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Old 10-07-2014, 05:15 AM
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care to share you revelation
I don't really have any revelations. .

I would try to explain than showcase how little I actually know.

I'll leave explanations to the experts.

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