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Old 01-13-2019, 04:01 PM
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This with out doubt would lead to arguments as to weather a foul was intentional or not
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You are correct Chris and I created the confusion by misquoting what Whitey said in his post #73.

He said allow only one intentional and after the second intentional opponent gets BIH.

I know you can't determine what is an intentional from what is an accident, and would cause disagreements, so I wanted to say this:

after any two fouls in succession by a player the opponent get BIH behind the line.

The reason for saying this is if this was the rule we might not need PIBOOF.

I just fukked it up...sorry all
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:10 PM
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my fault for not researching enough
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:00 PM
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Default New rule of rules.

Interesting rule proposal. What if it was a situation where the person who fouled either had to spot a ball OR play it where it lies himself, the choice of course being the opponent? This would speed up the game even more as the ball would end up not being spotted, the penalty then being that he has to play the next shot.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:36 PM
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Darmoose,
Your idea of having a challenge table is excellent. It works well for those still in the tournament awaiting their next match, for they can jump in, jump out.
My favorite combination of alternative rules to test out would be, Darmoose Moving Forward/ Your Foul Option/ and Grady's Rule.
This combination would work nicely for a challenge table, for playing time is of the essence.

But I reiterate your Foul Rule Option is superior to Two Consecutive Fouls is BIH. Because with my idea, if you are up against the stack and decide to take a tap intentional, and then I play an intentional by pushing the ob and cb into and burying the balls within the stack, I then got you for you can not play another intentional because you will give me BIH. Your rule would eliminate this from ever happening.

This is true, for when has a push intentional burying the balls in the stack been called an illegal wedge/trap. There is no ref. and would the opponent even know that this could be an illegal wedge/trap, or call it if they did know.

I seen Mosconi do this exact same illegal push intentional to further bury Caras within the stack, the ref. never said a word. Luckily Caras had a combination within the stack.
I seen it happen during our last MOT.

So it is my suggestion that you follow through with your challenge table by using your alternative suggestions coupled with Grady's Rule. Whitey

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Old 01-14-2019, 03:10 PM
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There is no good reason why a player should be allowed to commit a foul, intentionally or otherwise, and it penalizes his opponent.





Makes perfect sense. Has always bothered me about one pocket that the penalty for intentional fouls is not high enough.
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:59 PM
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Darmoose,
Your idea of having a challenge table is excellent. It works well for those still in the tournament awaiting their next match, for they can jump in, jump out.
My favorite combination of alternative rules to test out would be, Darmoose Moving Forward/ Your Foul Option/ and Grady's Rule.
This combination would work nicely for a challenge table, for playing time is of the essence.

But I reiterate your Foul Rule Option is superior to Two Consecutive Fouls is BIH. Because with my idea, if you are up against the stack and decide to take a tap intentional, and then I play an intentional by pushing the ob and cb into and burying the balls within the stack, I then got you for you can not play another intentional because you will give me BIH. Your rule would eliminate this from ever happening.

So it is my suggestion that you follow through with your challenge table by using your alternative suggestions coupled with Grady's Rule. Whitey
Whitey,

I think you are right, I suggested the two foul BIH as an option that would also help.

I will be available to play any of these ideas, I like the idea of a challenge table, and guys don't have to gamble while we are learning about these potential rules changes, that's up to individuals. I would think it best to play only one rule change at a time.

We'll see if there are any members interested......course we'll have to wall off the table so Scrzbill don't see it and turn to stone.


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Old 01-15-2019, 01:30 PM
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I would like to see a challenge match played by players the caliber of say Efren/Dalton, which are highly technically sound, and capable of playing OP as it should be, but to have them play under the Darmoose Moving Forward, Foul Option & Grady's Rule.

I think the Grady Rule would have the most effect, because these players are so sound that intentionals and fouls will be miniscue. But, the anticipation that these rules bring to the game would in itself add excitement.

If you go further and add Steve's suggestions of playing the Grady Rule by only allowing 2 balls down table, plus his totally exciting alternative to the Moving Forward rule, of allowing the player to pick any ball off the table, I then think you really have something. Although I am not knowledgeable enough to completely back only 2 balls down table, but it seems to me that would promote more stack play, thus make the game more interesting.

Of course in any challenge match I would suggest a clock. It killed it for me during the Ocholo/Orcollo match whereas Dennis was allowed and took a long time to figure out the his shot. Whitey
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I like this idea and intend to give it a try. Seems to me talking about it is OK but the only way to test for unintended consequences and to see if it really impacts the game is to try it on the table. Since most of my playing is with pals on my table it will be easy. I will just insist that they do it.
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BTW what would you do regarding a scratch on the break?
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Old Yesterday, 10:27 PM
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I like this idea and intend to give it a try. Seems to me talking about it is OK but the only way to test for unintended consequences and to see if it really impacts the game is to try it on the table. Since most of my playing is with pals on my table it will be easy. I will just insist that they do it.
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BTW what would you do regarding a scratch on the break?
I hope you do and look forward to your report, particuarly on whether any intentionals were used or not.

A scratch on the break has the same consequences, no exceptions.

Good luck
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