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Old 10-02-2012, 08:27 PM
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Gary Spaeth's dad Joey was a good pool player too
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:05 PM
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Well, this thread is a bit of a digression, but what the hell. Fun stuff all the same.

Cheers guys...
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:30 PM
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Well, this thread is a bit of a digression, but what the hell. Fun stuff all the same.

Cheers guys...
I had to move a large number of posts that had nothing to do with Gary Spaeth out of respect for the legacy of Gary Spaeth, who is one of our Bank Pool Hall of Fame inductees. Those who are interested in what the digression was all about can find the moved posts to their own thread in the Member's Cafe here:

Mostly three cushion action -- started as Gary Spaeth
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:02 AM
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I'd like to hear some more about Gary Spaeth. From what I've heard and read, he was a fine player and one of the best bankers to play the game. For those who knew him, how about sharing some stories and some of his memorable shots.

Here's one to start. John, do you remember this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgL5aEtvjz0

I also found this match where Gary ended up beating Bugs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UARNoccs5-0

Freddy, if Gary and Bugs were both playing well and had to play each other every day for a month for the cheese, who would come out ahead in your opinion? Would the outcome be different if it were full rack vs. short rack banks?

Thanks guys.
Yes JL.I do remember that shot.I have the tape.

Gary was real good with those off the wall shots but that was his undoing many times.For some reason he would go for some wild shots sometimes.I don't think he cared about the money as much as some of us,lol. I've played with the best bankers in the world,excluding Ed Taylor.Gary knew and played more good safes and free shots than anyone else that I have played with, including L. Buggs R. Gary was technically, way better than Buggs,he just didn't get the money as well.Maybe Buggs was more money hungry and or had more killer instinct.That's the way I saw it anyway.Two of the worlds best at any rate and I'm glad I got to watch and play them both.John B.
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:56 PM
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Yes JL.I do remember that shot.I have the tape.

Gary was real good with those off the wall shots but that was his undoing many times.For some reason he would go for some wild shots sometimes.I don't think he cared about the money as much as some of us,lol. I've played with the best bankers in the world,excluding Ed Taylor.Gary knew and played more good safes and free shots than anyone else that I have played with, including L. Buggs R. Gary was technically, way better than Buggs,he just didn't get the money as well.Maybe Buggs was more money hungry and or had more killer instinct.That's the way I saw it anyway.Two of the worlds best at any rate and I'm glad I got to watch and play them both.John B.
Thanks, John, for sharing your insights and thoughts with us. Us railbirds appreciate you allowing us to pick your brain! Good post as per usual!
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:15 PM
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No contest. Bugs drawing away. Especially for big,big money. Gary was able to fade a decent bet, like up to $1500 to $2000 a set, tops. The sky was the limit with Bugs, even tho both players would be getting backed.
Gary was a great banker. He just didn't play as good as Bugs. As far as I know, only Eddie Taylor did. Maybe Youngblood. Maybe.

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Actually like most times, Freddy, you're close! Gary would agree that Bugs, at his prime, was probably the better and Eddie Taylor at the top of the heap in banks. And you're right on the money

aspect also. I staked Gary for many years and I was never a deep pocket gambler. I had a family and a business that took priority and would not put myself in a position that would harm either

of them. Gary always knew that and cared about my family and business as if they were his own. I never once had a concern of whether Gary was trying his best for my money! He often would

refuse games that I wanted him to try because as he said "it's too tough"! Because of that we very seldom lost! From the mid '80's on Bugs could not beat Gary! They played at least 6 times

that I have very vivid memories of and Gary won all but one time. That time most of the people thought Bugs won when in fact they broke even on sets, Gary was ahead on games won and

because I was pressured in to raising the bet prematurely, we lost $1k. Two of the times they played, they played one pocket and Bugs spotted Gary a ball. Gary won both of those and the spot,

even though a psychological advantage, did not really show up in the score. I'm certainly not saying Gary was better than Bugs, but by this time Bugs just could no longer beat Gary. I'd also

like to go on record as saying that Bugs was probably the best person on the planet for Gary to match up with. I wish they could have played EVERY day and not because we were winning. Bugs

was always a gentleman. Meaning that there was never any sign of an argument, disagreement, or disrespect of any kind between them. They both had a lot of respect for one another. We'd

sometimes take a break in the action to go outside for a little fresh air (or maybe smokey air) the 3 of us together as if we were road partners or just friends instead of rivals. We were rivals, but

still friends!

Since we're on the subject of "Spaeth & Bugs", I'll relate another little story about Joey Spaeth and Bugs. This was told to me in part by Billy Carrelli, another Cincinnati player and comments

from Joey. When Bugs first started playing one pocket, his stake horses recognized his talents but knew there was a great deal he didn't know about the game. Joey was one of the best movers

in the country at that time, so Bugs' stakehorses set up a weekly game at a small quiet pool room in Dayton. They would bring Bugs down every week to Play Joey cheap ($50 a rack) one pocket

with Joey giving Bugs 11-8 in the beginning. Of course over a period of about 6 months or so, the game made several adjustments until they were playing even and Joey realized that he could

no longer beat Bugs even. Joey said "I took him to school and now Bugs is the teacher".
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Sherm; GREAT story about Joey and Bugs, I knew Joey and Gary when he only about 14-16 yrs of age. Young Gary was already trying to play for money. At that time Joey hung around a pool room in the "red light" district of Cincy. Very good player defensively, and real nice guy. As usual, I was called in to play an older rich business man some 3C. I can't tell you how many times the scenario from the movie, "The Hustler" came about, I will have to admit it was by my design, But I'll save all those stories for when I write my life story, "Hustling the Niche Game"! I got the idea for the title from a so called member of this forum.

As I've stated before, "Bugs" had more natural talent than all the players I've seen throughout the years, and no fear of losing or the money!

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Old 10-08-2012, 10:35 AM
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Yes JL.I do remember that shot.I have the tape.

Gary was real good with those off the wall shots but that was his undoing many times.For some reason he would go for some wild shots sometimes.I don't think he cared about the money as much as some of us,lol. I've played with the best bankers in the world,excluding Ed Taylor.Gary knew and played more good safes and free shots than anyone else that I have played with, including L. Buggs R. Gary was technically, way better than Buggs,he just didn't get the money as well.Maybe Buggs was more money hungry and or had more killer instinct.That's the way I saw it anyway.Two of the worlds best at any rate and I'm glad I got to watch and play them both.John B.
Interesting perspective from someone who played 'em both, thanks. Did you ever go on the road with Gary, or were you two mostly adversaries on the table?

Second question, since you played both Gary and Bugs, which did you find to be the more difficult opponent?
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Actually like most times, Freddy, you're close! Gary would agree that Bugs, at his prime, was probably the better and Eddie Taylor at the top of the heap in banks. And you're right on the money

aspect also. I staked Gary for many years and I was never a deep pocket gambler. I had a family and a business that took priority and would not put myself in a position that would harm either

of them. Gary always knew that and cared about my family and business as if they were his own. I never once had a concern of whether Gary was trying his best for my money! He often would

refuse games that I wanted him to try because as he said "it's too tough"! Because of that we very seldom lost! From the mid '80's on Bugs could not beat Gary! They played at least 6 times

that I have very vivid memories of and Gary won all but one time. That time most of the people thought Bugs won when in fact they broke even on sets, Gary was ahead on games won and

because I was pressured in to raising the bet prematurely, we lost $1k. Two of the times they played, they played one pocket and Bugs spotted Gary a ball. Gary won both of those and the spot,

even though a psychological advantage, did not really show up in the score. I'm certainly not saying Gary was better than Bugs, but by this time Bugs just could no longer beat Gary. I'd also

like to go on record as saying that Bugs was probably the best person on the planet for Gary to match up with. I wish they could have played EVERY day and not because we were winning. Bugs

was always a gentleman. Meaning that there was never any sign of an argument, disagreement, or disrespect of any kind between them. They both had a lot of respect for one another. We'd

sometimes take a break in the action to go outside for a little fresh air (or maybe smokey air) the 3 of us together as if we were road partners or just friends instead of rivals. We were rivals, but

still friends!

Since we're on the subject of "Spaeth & Bugs", I'll relate another little story about Joey Spaeth and Bugs. This was told to me in part by Billy Carrelli, another Cincinnati player and comments

from Joey. When Bugs first started playing one pocket, his stake horses recognized his talents but knew there was a great deal he didn't know about the game. Joey was one of the best movers

in the country at that time, so Bugs' stakehorses set up a weekly game at a small quiet pool room in Dayton. They would bring Bugs down every week to Play Joey cheap ($50 a rack) one pocket

with Joey giving Bugs 11-8 in the beginning. Of course over a period of about 6 months or so, the game made several adjustments until they were playing even and Joey realized that he could

no longer beat Bugs even. Joey said "I took him to school and now Bugs is the teacher".

Awesome read, thanks!
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:47 PM
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Sherm; GREAT story about Joey and Bugs, I knew Joey and Gary when he only about 14-16 yrs of age. Young Gary was already trying to play for money. At that time Joey hung around a pool room in the "red light" district of Cincy. Very good player defensively, and real nice guy. As usual, I was called in to play an older rich business man some 3C. I can't tell you how many times the scenario from the movie, "The Hustler" came about, I will have to admit it was by my design, But I'll save all those stories for when I write my life story, "Hustling the Niche Game"! I got the idea for the title from a so called member of this forum.

As I've stated before, "Bugs" had more natural talent than all the players I've seen throughout the years, and no fear of losing or the money!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
http://mr3cushion.com


Thanks Billy. I'm looking forward to reading your book when it comes out! While we telling stories, I've got one you'll get a kick out of.



I'm sure you don't remember this, but we met about 20 years ago at the Chicago Billiards Cafe. I was driving to Minneapolis to pick up my new CNC machine and made arrangements to meet

Deno Andrews at CBC to pick up a copy of Pedro's 3C trick shot videos. You were knocking balls around on the table closest to the counter so Deno introduced us and gave me a quick bio about

you.


About a week later I was back in Cincinnati at my poolroom, Beechmont Billiards. Bucky Bell has been a friend of mine (and a player rep for my cues) for many years. Bucky happened to be in

that morning having his morning coffee and he was hitting balls around on my old Brunswick Anniversary carom table. He made the casual statement that he wished there was someone he

could gamble with at 3C. He fancied himself as a pretty good 3C player but he said "those damn billiard players are a bunch of stuffed shirts! They won't bet that they're alive!" I said, "Bucky, I

think I can find you a little action." Just as he took a long gulp of his coffee, he asked "WHO?" I quickly replied "Bill Smith" thinking it was a generic enough of a name that he'd probably not

recognize it. To my surprise, Bucky's face kind of exploded spewing coffee all down the front of MY shirt! lol When he was able to talk, he asked "What kind of a trap are you trying to put me in?"

He went on to say "That damn Billy Smith is probably the best American 3C player on the planet, and he WILL gamble!"





I just thought you'd get a kick out of that story. When do you expect to get your book out or is it in the "thinking about it" stages like the one I've been planning to write for many years?



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