efren /josh #1

LSJohn · Feb 3, 2015

onepockethacker said:
Josh can carom the 5 ball off the blue 7 ball sending the 5 ball 2 rails to Josh's pocket and freeze the cue ball on the 10 ball and now Efren is trapped.

The angle looks wrong to me from the middle of the end rail to leave the CB behind the 10, playing the 5ball 2 rails. Looks more like playing the 5 into the green/blue to 3-rail it.

I'm not questioning your judgment, just seeing the screenshot differently than you are.

keoneyo · Feb 3, 2015

onepockethacker said:
The problem with cutting the 9 ball is what if you miss and leave a cross corner bank in which your opponent can bank it and bring the cue ball uptable behind those balls.. You could end up trapped. I would definitely play the 9 ball off the 5 ball, sending the 9 ball toward my hole pocketing the 5 ball in the side and bury the cue ball behind the other balls... In this case better to trap than be trapped..
P.S. Now everyone wants to play the score OR SO THEY THINK.. Your 2 ball advantage is greatly reduced with the fact that ALL the balls are on your opponents side of the table.
P.S. For those suggesting to thin the 9 ball and drop the cue ball to the end rail..If you do that the cue ball will hit the middle of the end rail.. Josh can carom the 5 ball off the blue 7 ball sending the 5 ball 2 rails to Josh's pocket and freeze the cue ball on the 10 ball and now Efren is trapped.

One last thing this all applies as long as the 10 ball isnt going to come back 1 rail into the cluster of balls

Hacker I like your shot the best and is what I saw. My question is this. The 10 will go to the bottom rail. I would want it to have some right english to go towards my side of the table. If I use left on my cue ball will the english transfer between 3 balls so I end up with right on the 10?

I think moving 3 balls away from my opponent side is the way to go here. Particularly if you can get the 9 (?) near my hole.

lll · Feb 3, 2015

keoneyo said:
Hacker I like your shot the best and is what I saw. My question is this. The 10 will go to the bottom rail. I would want it to have some right english to go towards my side of the table. If I use left on my cue ball will the english transfer between 3 balls so I end up with right on the 10?

I think moving 3 balls away from my opponent side is the way to go here. Particularly if you can get the 9 (?) near my hole.

keoneyo
1)i dont think hacker was planning on moving the 10 ball
icbw
2) with the distance the 10 has to travel any collision induced spin that you could generate 3 not frozen balls down the chain i doubt would still be there when it got to the rail
icbw (pj would know...

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3) im not sure you want to put 3 balls in play based on the score if you dont have to
icbw

lll · Feb 3, 2015

WillieNilly said:
80% of the time I too would just thin off the 9 and leave qball on the end rail. simple and safe....

20% of the time i might like this shot.... playing the 9 to carom off the 5, 5 falls in the side , qball behind the 6/14.
leave 9 near your hole and the 5 on the spot..

Hidy Ho said:
hmmm .. is this "what would I do" or "what do I think Efren did" question?

I would think what Efren would shoot is "WillieNilly"'s 20% shot of 9 off the 5 ball whereas I, like most of you, would thin the 9 to cluster up more and come down the table.

yes efren caromed the 9 off the 5 AND MADE THE 9
the 5 missed the 10 and the side pocket hitting just on the foot side of the side rail by the side pocket
efren hid behind the balls so
its still efrens shot
wwy do now??

lll · Feb 3, 2015

efren still shooting
(as we look at the pic efrens pocket is still the lower left)
wwyd now??

onepockethacker · Feb 3, 2015

2 things.. first.. Efren made it LOL. I guess he hit it like EFREN

Looks like he can go thin off the 7 ball back and forth to the end rail. He was hoping to get the 9 ball REAL close without making it thus trapping Josh. I also thought he would have the 5 ball go off the 10 ball providing the 10 ball wasnt going to come back off the end rail into the cluster..

NH Steve · Feb 3, 2015

Same shot basically -- in for a nickel in for a dime, lol the solid pale green off the striped pale green and stick-em behind the 10.

LSJohn · Feb 3, 2015

NH Steve said:
Same shot basically -- in for a nickel in for a dime, lol the solid pale green off the striped pale green and stick-em behind the 10.

Heh. That's what I'm thinkin' Efren would do, but only if it can be done without the stripe hitting the 10.

Island Drive · Feb 3, 2015

It's a 6 ball ticky, and freeze em behind the 14 froze to the rail. This shots lays perfect for a high rolling/center cue ball at medium speed.

keoneyo · Feb 3, 2015

A side note. I wonder if Ray is going to make the Smokin Aces tournament available on his site to purchase?

Cory in dc · Feb 3, 2015

NH Steve said:
Same shot basically -- in for a nickel in for a dime, lol the solid pale green off the striped pale green and stick-em behind the 10.

That was my thought, but you got to it first!

LSJohn · Feb 3, 2015

Island Drive said:
It's a 6 ball ticky, and freeze em behind the 14 froze to the rail. This shots lays perfect for a high rolling/center cue ball at medium speed.

Very safe, but not very productive. Looks to me that from behind the 14 there's going to be at least one available route to the far left corner up table, leaving no offensive return.

petie · Feb 4, 2015

NH Steve said:
Same shot basically -- in for a nickel in for a dime, lol the solid pale green off the striped pale green and stick-em behind the 10.

I think he can do this with a little jacked up low right and make the cue ball come to rest on Efren's side of the head rail. The cue ball curves a little after contact with the green ball, hits low on the side rail and stops on the end rail. This is all insurance for the possibility of missing the green ball.

lll · Feb 4, 2015

onepockethacker said:
2 things.. first.. Efren made it LOL. I guess he hit it like EFREN Looks like he can go thin off the 7 ball back and forth to the end rail. He was hoping to get the 9 ball REAL close without making it thus trapping Josh. I also thought he would have the 5 ball go off the 10 ball providing the 10 ball wasnt going to come back off the end rail into the cluster..

NH Steve said:
Same shot basically -- in for a nickel in for a dime, lol the solid pale green off the striped pale green and stick-em behind the 10.

interesting
for the first part of this wwyd
I think many felt Efren would carom the ball and most of us would skim off a ball and come down to the foot rail
rob one of the better players on the site went for the carom in that situation
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now rob likes skimming off a ball and many like the green off the green carom
.......
well Efren did like the idea of a carom
but why carom off a ball that's close....

that's too easy.....

he caromed off the 5 to make the 6 and WIN THE GAME.....

lll · Feb 4, 2015

here he is lining up the tangent line

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and here is the pic as the carom occurs and just before the 6 splits the wicket

LSJohn · Feb 4, 2015

lll said:
here he is lining up the tangent line

and here is the pic as the carom occurs and just before the 6 splits the wicket

Holy Moley!

lll · Feb 4, 2015

LSJohn said:
Holy Moley!

john
he just hit it there.......:heh......:heh

onepockethacker · Feb 4, 2015

He hit it like.....EFREN lol Unbelievable

Hidy Ho · Feb 5, 2015

lll said:
he caromed off the 5 to make the 6 and WIN THE GAME.....
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Jeez ... having seen so many "lucky" shot from The Great One, I'm not even all that amazed that he made this shot (not really, I am totally amazed).

Who the hell would even envision this shot and then execute it perfectly?

Patrick Johnson · Feb 5, 2015

Hidy Ho said:
Jeez ... having seen so many "lucky" shot from The Great One, I'm not even all that amazed that he made this shot (not really, I am totally amazed).

Who the hell would even envision this shot and then execute it perfectly?

I'd envision it and might even try it - but unlike Efren, for me that's a major flaw in my game.

When the calliope music starts in my head it's Katy bar the door (and Pat pay the man)!

pj
chgo

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