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Old 09-16-2018, 10:30 PM
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I don't remember if I posted this before.

This is, IMHO, a pretty difficult shot. You need both balls, the CB and another ball are frozen on the rail. Ball on the spot,with a very difficult angle to swing the CB over to get position on the frozen ball on the end cushion at the 1st diamond by your opponents pocket.

The difficulty is, being able to softly half-follow thru the ball on the spot with extreme English! If you hit it to hard, the 'carom' widens and is impossible to swing across the table towards the bottom rail to play the last ball.

Maybe some guys can try the shot and let me know what YOU think!

I really, 'over-cooked' the shot!

P.S. Take note, frame by frame of the shaft following thru the CB.

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Old 09-16-2018, 10:42 PM
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That shot has been posted before. I practice it occasionally
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:49 PM
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That shot has been posted before. I practice it occasionally
I wasn't sure. Oh well, maybe some of the newer members haven't.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:02 AM
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Buddy Hall was at one time doing intermission high tech shots like this one, and similar to Ewa Lawrence did during televised matches. He hit this shot, although set up different and farther down the table, so that the cue ball comes backwards and contact the side rail past the side pocket then comes off the side rail and arks towards the end rail, like a half masse'. He used 11 0'clock high and stroked angled down on the cb, partial masse'.

thanks for the thread and this great shot, Mr. 3 Cushion. Whitey

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Old 09-17-2018, 02:52 PM
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...softly half-follow thru
That would be full-follow thru for me - or did I misunderstand what you mean?

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Old 09-17-2018, 03:22 PM
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That would be full-follow thru for me - or did I misunderstand what you mean?

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So Pat, you don't follow-thru more than 5" on any shot?

That's what "I" followed-thru on this one!
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Old 09-17-2018, 03:34 PM
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That would be full-follow thru for me - or did I misunderstand what you mean?

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Pat, you don't follow-thru more than 5" on any shot?
I tried this shot several times this morning (couldn't get the CB much below the first diamond) - my follow-thru was about the same as yours, which is about normal for me for that shot (not consciously shortened).

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That's what "I" followed-thru on this one!
Different strokes... I've always admired yours, Billy. I'm guessing you keep your follow-thru shorter on this shot to avoid overpowering the CB?

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Old 09-17-2018, 03:53 PM
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I tried this shot several times this morning (couldn't get the CB much below the first diamond) - my follow-thru was about the same as yours, which is about normal for me for that shot (not consciously shortened).


Different strokes... I've always admired yours, Billy. I'm guessing you keep your follow-thru shorter on this shot to avoid overpowering the CB?

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I could deliver a 12'' - 14" follow-thru on this shot, and NOT over power the CB!

It's all in the correct, timing, tempo, speed and delivery! This shot contrary probably by most doesn't require a BIG stroke! Just the correct stroke! Did it look like it took much effort on my part?
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:48 AM
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...I'm guessing you keep your follow-thru shorter on this shot to avoid overpowering the CB?
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I could deliver a 12'' - 14" follow-thru on this shot, and NOT over power the CB!
OK, then what does the shorter follow-thru do for you?

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It's all in the correct, timing, tempo, speed and delivery!
I know what "speed" means, and I think I know what "timing" means (hitting the CB at the most effective point in your stroke). But even though I've seen them used in this context before, I don't know what "tempo" and "delivery" mean. Can you help define them?

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Old 09-18-2018, 12:25 PM
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OK, then what does the shorter follow-thru do for you?

The short stroke (which the SPC) says they don'r believe in) is used here be cause the CB has almost no deflection, pure English at this short distance, (approx 2') which is essential to the shot! Also it ensures a less afflicted stroke, No errors)!

I know what "speed" means, and I think I know what "timing" means (hitting the CB at the most effective point in your stroke). But even though I've seen them used in this context before, I don't know what "tempo" and "delivery" mean. Can you help define them?

The, 'tempo' is the cadence in which the player produces the, 'warm-up strokes.' The 'delivery' is, the perfect execution of the cue stick/shaft going 'straight-thru, horizontally and vertically, without wavering!'
This is what I meant by watching frame by frame, my cue/shaft is in perfect focus throughout the shot! The shaft doesn't move, up-down, left or right!

I've had 100's of photos taken of me during the execution of several different types of shots! The balls are a blur, but never the cue!

Here's just a couple.

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The stroke MUST ALWAYS be, 'crescendo' in nature! Means, increasing in speed, that's really where the tempo shines.

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