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Old 09-18-2018, 09:07 PM
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The cue ball in the actual shot looks to be sitting higher on the rail than you have it diagramed. If it were actually placed where you have it diagramed I don’t think there is any way you could contact the frozen ball first with a level cue while 5-6 inches off the rail. Keep in mind you would have to keep the same angle to the OB though. 5-6 inches off the rail means more straight in of a shot....wouldn’t it?
Mike, this is an actual still from the video, the CB is frozen to cushion, 1 ball to the left of the 3rd diamond! What diagram? I mentioned I would keep the SAME angle into the OB!
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:22 PM
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Mike, this is an actual still from the video, the CB is frozen to cushion, 1 ball to the left of the 3rd diamond! What diagram? I mentioned I would keep the SAME angle into the OB!
Your diagram of the location of balls and angles in post #14
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:24 PM
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You did! It's is and was reserved for my family and close friends! I've never even been formally introduced to you! Now you know!

I enjoy instructing! I've been doing it since 1986-87.
Though we never had occasion to talk, I saw you many times in the 90s at Chris's. Does that earn me a Bill?

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Old 09-18-2018, 10:25 PM
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You're digram of the location of balls and angles in post #14
I think the masse effect helps swerve the CB and assists in getting that type of action on the CB. I think 5-6 inches closer and it cannot be done. Just my thought...I'm sure you will try it at the table. Anxious to hear how it goes!!!!
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:27 PM
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You're digram of the location of balls and angles in post #14
Mike, once again! ! He screen shot it from my video! No trickery!!!

Go back and watch the video! YOU will see the starting position of the balls! As "I" diagrammed them in post #14!

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Here's the photo from Patty, I drew the lines of attack into the CB and the carom into the 1st rail, then the huge swing to the corner pocket!

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Old 09-18-2018, 10:29 PM
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:30 PM
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Mike, once again! ! He screen shot it from my video! No trickery!!!

Go back and watch the video! YOU will see the starting position of the balls! As "I" diagrammed them in post #14!



Using the starting point in the video I don't think it can be done from 5-6 inches in from the rail with a level cue.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:34 PM
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Regardless it is a very good and difficult shot!
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:44 PM
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[Maybe one of our more scientific members can fill the, 'cut angle & angle into the 1st cushion.'
Roughly speaking, the shot into the corner pocket is about a 20 degree cut and the angle change off the cushion due to side spin is about 30 degrees.

For comparison, shooting the CB straight at the side rail with a level cue, it would only take about 2/3 maximum spin to change the rebound angle by 30 degrees. But a lot of the original spin on the CB is lost in the collision with the OB, so it takes more than 2/3 max spin for this shot.

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Old 09-18-2018, 10:46 PM
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Using the starting point in the video I don't think it can be done from 5-6 inches in from the rail with a level cue.
Mike, I'll tell you what I'll do.

Either YOU or get 20 members to put up, $100 total, (5 bucks each) for my time. I'll take 25 attempts at trying to go 1 cushion and hit the frozen ball on the short rail.

I won't elevate my cue more than 10-15 degrees (is not much) and place the CB as diagrammed here.

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I will video it with, 'time stamp' from my phone or better camera.

What do u think, about this prop?

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