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Old 03-26-2019, 06:33 PM
BRLongArm BRLongArm is offline
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Default Breaking results on TV table at Derby City 2019

Games won by breaker

When breaking from his left side of table -- 20 of 38 (53%)

When breaking from his right side of table -- 24 of 37 (65%)

Total -- 44 of 75 (59%)

Doesn't look like a devastating advantage, at least not in this sample size.
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Old 03-26-2019, 07:11 PM
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John, are you suggesting the Texas three-kick rule?
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:39 PM
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We can disagree all we want, but deciding one pocket matches by a final game, where one player obviously will have the break (widely known as advantageous), is extremely dubious.
Really Larry, doesn't it seem clear? Drop everything, my attitude... think objectively, isn't it clear? Anybody?
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Games won by breaker

When breaking from his left side of table -- 20 of 38 (53%)

When breaking from his right side of table -- 24 of 37 (65%)

Total -- 44 of 75 (59%)

Doesn't look like a devastating advantage, at least not in this sample size.
CHAPO
how else would you like to start the game without the break??
since i think we will agree (i hope )that someone has to break
why should it not be the one who lags better??
in the nba during all star weekend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Al...ills_Challenge
the pros are challenged on many skills
the lag is a skill shot that all competitors know will determine who breaks the last game in a hill hill situation
so
the lag is another test of their skill
Really el chapo doesn't it seem clear? Drop everything, my attitude... think objectively, isn't it clear? Anybody?
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:15 PM
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even if its hill hill i think the person who's turn it is to break should break.

why not it works both ways for everyone.

and if on the last game the rule is lag or flip that is the rule you knew when you started so why not.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:25 PM
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I'm practicing my lag everyone doesn't want to flip.
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Old 03-26-2019, 10:49 PM
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unless you are in a tournament if you are not a good lagger insist on flipping, if good at the lag insist on that.

how to get an extra edge before the game even starts.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:05 AM
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John, are you suggesting the Texas three-kick rule?
Heh. I remember, but my auldtymers has erased the punch line.

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Old 03-27-2019, 12:39 AM
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John, the two parties will take turns kicking each other three times until one of them gives up and quits. Joe Blow goes first and kicks the crap out of John Doe three times. Then, as John picks himself up off the ground and prepares his revenge, Joe gives up and quits.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:51 AM
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CHAPO
how else would you like to start the game without the break??
since i think we will agree (i hope )that someone has to break
why should it not be the one who lags better??
in the nba during all star weekend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Al...ills_Challenge
the pros are challenged on many skills
the lag is a skill shot that all competitors know will determine who breaks the last game in a hill hill situation
so
the lag is another test of their skill
Really el chapo doesn't it seem clear? Drop everything, my attitude... think objectively, isn't it clear? Anybody?
Let us just stipulate for clarity that the average # of runs baseball teams get per game is 8.

Let us also assume, I have heard Grady quote this number, that the break is worth 2 balls.

So, if we lay the analogy on top of baseball... 2 balls over 8 total in one pocket is 1/4, or 25% of the balls!

CAN YOU IMAGINE A BASEBALL TEAM STARTING A GAME OFF WITH TWO FREE RUNS!!! that would be analogous to the way a hill hill match goes down. one player getting ~25% of the balls "free".

That would be insane, would it not??

Why don't the tennis pros decide who will get the first break by hitting a ball up in the air and seeing who gets closer to a line they are shooting for? that would be a pretty stupid way to settle matches.... even though there is some skill and touch involved. so, they actually decide it by playing, and give each players the same number of serves.

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Old 03-27-2019, 12:52 AM
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Proposed remedy?
I do not get paid enough but one is to count balls and have the guy who makes more break hill hill. another is a shootout, no hill-hill games (this could also speed things up drastically if desired). watch one if you are up for it, they are pretty exciting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWNjhJ0OSB4 since it is one pocket you could do some sort of bank shootout, or get however creative you want with it.

the first one would be tough at small tournaments but i feel very doable at large, pro tournaments.

we could all come up with more, better alternatives, but I do not think we will. we probably should try though in my opinion.

in tennis they seem to have a very sophisticated tie break system. i can't say i fully understand it, but it emphasizes fairness, and assumes server will win or have a great advantage. that should be our baseline as well... so how can we allow the guy who breaks "win" or have the advantage every time? in tennis, the first guy serves once, then they each serve twice until someone wins by two. no good for one pocket but just the thought they put into it is the point.

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