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Old 04-26-2019, 11:21 AM
Dennis "Whitey" Young Dennis "Whitey" Young is offline
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Here is the frozen ball shot into the side pocket. Bob is using either center low or a tip of natural english. This is of course opposite of what I used which was high.

But, I played in L.A. not known for banks at all, unlike Eddie Taylor growing up in the south where banks was huge. And being self taught then this is how I did these banks.

Using Eddie's technique I was able to hit the point on the side pocket. My cushions do not readily apply reverse on to the ob nor does the object ball bury itself into the cushions like other cushions and especially todays cushions. Thus making it a harder of a bank as compared to the cushions Bob is doing the shot on. But I'll work on it some more.

I now redid the frozen ball bank into the corner, and made it with the object ball 2" closer to the corner. So using draw really helps to make it. Whitey

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Old 04-29-2019, 02:20 PM
Johnny J. Willis Johnny J. Willis is offline
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great info on shot
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Old 05-07-2019, 09:23 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Originally Posted by Dennis "Whitey" Young View Post
Hank, thanks for trying the shot. I think lll had a good idea for your 7 footer by trying it off the first diamond.
But the hit is much heavier than a 1/4 ball hit. The way I have this shot set up, I then shoot it with the outside edge of my cue lined up with the edge of the object ball. This is more than a 1/2 ball hit.

I also did the stop motion on the middle link, and the initial reaction is that the ob goes to the left while the cb is going to the right, and as the ob is coming back off the rail it barely clears the cb.

Steve, Yes, as you pointed out that the shot can be set up tougher and still go, and I have done it working with less angle than I set up. This set up gives the members a good starting point for trying the shot!

Let me clarify the above, it is easier to make this shot when it is set up harder in the side pocket. For the side pocket is a way larger opening when coming from straight across vs. a corner pocket coming in from that same angle. Plus the end cushion if contacted makes if even harder to make it in the corner pocket. I have come close to and rattled it with the ob set an 1" or so closer to the corner pocket, but as of yet have not made it.

I also suspect the type of cushion would greatly effect this shot. Whitey
What you mentioned in your 1st. paragraph, along with Larry's suggestion
and the Fuller 1/2 ball hit was how I hit that shot today.
When I first looked at it, it was like I'd been there before. I HAD! it was the
shot I'd practiced that the both of you had suggested I attempt. Boy did it sit
a few folks down when it went right in , .
Between the Banking and the Kicking that goes along with it it's going to be
tougher for them to whup me now.

Thanks for the suggestion and thoughts.

Striving for a less complicated life since 1949 ...
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:07 AM
Dennis "Whitey" Young Dennis "Whitey" Young is offline
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Here is an additional way to do the frozen ball banks provided by mr3cushion. He is stroking it @ 7 o'clock with a short crisp stroke using moderate speed. To get an idea of the speed the cb will carry to head cushion and contact the side rail.
Bill had explained this shot to me but I was unable to do it, so he made a video showing the stroke and speed. After viewing the videos I now am able to do it. Note; the short follow through. So it is hit below center with a little inside english, and hitting 50% of the ob.
One video has the shot lined up as I did it, and the other video he moves the cue ball over, which makes it more challenging.

Thanks, Bill for providing another alternative way of making these banks, for our members knowledge! Beautiful stroke by the way! Whitey

for further info on how this shot is made then go to 'café member'!

Bill had forgot that he also did this bank with the cue ball parallel with the object ball, and thus now just posted. This represents the hardest of his 3 examples of this shot. He used the same exact stroke and still hitting the ob approx. 50%. Chalk is on 1st diamond, ob is half diamond. Great shot, thanks Bill.

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