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Old 03-28-2019, 07:48 AM
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Marvin was a class act I didn't meet him till late like early 90ties. One time we were in down town D.C. he is knocking balls around a young guy asked him if he wanted to play. They played about three games the guy lost paid Marvin and told him it was a pleasure to play you Mr. Henderson both he and I wondered how he knew he was. I ran a pool league and I was trying to get some info on Marvin from the BCA when I spoke to Tom Shaw he got in touch with Marvin and done the story on him. Marvin was class.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:36 AM
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I was a youngster in the Hollywood area in the late 60's and Marvin and Kelly were two of my favorite players. Class acts both of them. Dressed to the 9's every day regardless of their bankroll and both loved the sauce.....a bit too much I might add. Marvin befriended me some around an all night room called Tournament Billiards in Culver City. One night Phil Specter the record producer came in with two body guards and Allen Gilbert the 3C player. Allen and Marvin matched up in a game of 3C for $500 25 to 20. It took all of us to pony up and post the cash needed to play the game. Marvin won in the one hole 25/24 and Phil went nuts. He went out to his car and brought in a briefcase full of Ben Franklins and wanted to bet $10K. Of course we couldn't get that bet covered and the match was over. The three best all around players I ever saw during those years were: Marvin, Kelly and Boston Shorty. I think I'd give the edge to Shorty because he played 3C and snooker so well that the other two had no chance to beat him in those games and his pool games were very close to Kelly and Marvin. Marvin was a mans man.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:43 PM
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I was a youngster in the Hollywood area in the late 60's and Marvin and Kelly were two of my favorite players. Class acts both of them. Dressed to the 9's every day regardless of their bankroll and both loved the sauce.....a bit too much I might add. Marvin befriended me some around an all night room called Tournament Billiards in Culver City. One night Phil Specter the record producer came in with two body guards and Allen Gilbert the 3C player. Allen and Marvin matched up in a game of 3C for $500 25 to 20. It took all of us to pony up and post the cash needed to play the game. Marvin won in the one hole 25/24 and Phil went nuts. He went out to his car and brought in a briefcase full of Ben Franklins and wanted to bet $10K. Of course we couldn't get that bet covered and the match was over. The three best all around players I ever saw during those years were: Marvin, Kelly and Boston Shorty. I think I'd give the edge to Shorty because he played 3C and snooker so well that the other two had no chance to beat him in those games and his pool games were very close to Kelly and Marvin. Marvin was a mans man.
Was one of the bodyguards named George? He was a good player himself, and as I recall, used a 36 ounce cue!! You must have seen him at Mr. Pockets, where he'd play once in awhile.

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Old 03-28-2019, 01:15 PM
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I was a youngster in the Hollywood area in the late 60's and Marvin and Kelly were two of my favorite players. Class acts both of them. Dressed to the 9's every day regardless of their bankroll and both loved the sauce.....a bit too much I might add. Marvin befriended me some around an all night room called Tournament Billiards in Culver City. One night Phil Specter the record producer came in with two body guards and Allen Gilbert the 3C player. Allen and Marvin matched up in a game of 3C for $500 25 to 20. It took all of us to pony up and post the cash needed to play the game. Marvin won in the one hole 25/24 and Phil went nuts. He went out to his car and brought in a briefcase full of Ben Franklins and wanted to bet $10K. Of course we couldn't get that bet covered and the match was over. The three best all around players I ever saw during those years were: Marvin, Kelly and Boston Shorty. I think I'd give the edge to Shorty because he played 3C and snooker so well that the other two had no chance to beat him in those games and his pool games were very close to Kelly and Marvin. Marvin was a mans man.
Al and I were best of friends/rivals, His money play was as formidable as tournaments! He was solid and stoic at the table, acknowledged tough shots by his opponents and rarely played to the crowd, one of things in our games we had in common. Marvin, if he was straight and right, tough to beat! That smooth as silk stroke, seldom failed him! haven't heard about the, Al/Marvin match in many years. The game on paper, Al had the best of it, but s**t happens! Marvin was definitely a main attraction at the Rack, his backers Jones & Red Fox, were the black bankroll there! Marvin and I played there singles and doubles, I used to give him 6 or 7 & break on 35, for BIG $. Even though he lost, I admired his, never give up mentally!
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:18 PM
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Gulfport Doc: George was Phil Spectors bodyguard for probably two decades or more. If George were alive, Phil would have never shot that girl some years later and gotten a life sentence. George played 14.1 with us at Mr. Pockets for usually $30/game. Nice guy but don't mess with him as he was very dangerous and this was why Phil had him in his employ all those years. He died of cancer about 25 years ago.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:38 PM
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Mr. 3C: Marvin played Allen on a very slow billiard table with directional cloth (standard at that time) as you know and both players had trouble getting five rails and this hurt Al's game quite a bit during the match. As you also know Marvin was fearless and Allen was not much of a bettor especially with that 20% handicap, Allen had all he could handle.

One time Boston Shorty came to 4th and main and played Allen for $500 even up 3C. Now everyone thinks Allen had way the best of it but to this day I'm not so sure. The match came down to a 46/46 tie going to 50 points and Shorty shot a tikki which Allen called a no second rail on Shorty. Most experienced 3C players know when tikki's get that second rail by the sound not the visual appearance of the shot. Most everyone there thought Shorty got all three rails but eventually Shorty gave in and lost the game 50/48. IMO Allen was the better player but Shorty had more heart from his life on the road and playing tough action. I believe Shorty would have won his share had they kept playing especially if he could get on the table........ Rommie would had a heart attack if he saw that happen. lol
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:16 AM
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shorty had plenty of heart and played all the games well. but as he aged his game went down fast.
i would think gold would generally beat him on most tables even the slow ones. bill smith obviously knew gold as well as anyone and his word on that would be GOLD.
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:54 AM
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Gulfport Doc: George was Phil Spectors bodyguard for probably two decades or more. If George were alive, Phil would have never shot that girl some years later and gotten a life sentence. George played 14.1 with us at Mr. Pockets for usually $30/game. Nice guy but don't mess with him as he was very dangerous and this was why Phil had him in his employ all those years. He died of cancer about 25 years ago.
Yeah, George was an intimidating looking guy. Not likely many ever messed with him. I didn't realize he'd been gone that long. You may be right about George's presence keeping Spector from killing that girl. But he was so wasted on drugs that he was completely out of reality. I don't guess he'll ever get out of prison. I occasionally wonder how he's doing in there.

Do you remember that heavy pole George used?

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shorty had plenty of heart and played all the games well. but as he aged his game went down fast.
i would think gold would generally beat him on most tables even the slow ones. bill smith obviously knew gold as well as anyone and his word on that would be GOLD.
I think Shorty was quite a bit older than Gilbert, although his game did slow down when he got into his sixties. Hard life playing pool for a living
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:50 PM
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I think Shorty was quite a bit older than Gilbert, although his game did slow down when he got into his sixties. Hard life playing pool for a living
If Al were still alive, I believe he'd be around 87, 88 years old. His boy hood friend, George Aronek is that age 89.
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