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Old 04-27-2019, 08:04 AM
Dennis "Whitey" Young Dennis "Whitey" Young is offline
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Whitey, Howdy;

Ok, had to go to T or C to get a new microwave, old one crapped out last night.

While driving I do some of my (IMO), better thinking. It became clear what you
were saying when you wrote this; " What I am trying to convey
is this; set up the balls for an absolute 2-1 straight in bank, then move the cb back
slightly creating a slight back-cut. Now using center cb, hit it on angle to make it, I
think you will find that the cb will reverse coming off the rail and you will come
short of the side pocket. So therefore I am advocating using a little natural english
to make the ob travel correctly.
" I 'think' the back-cut
you are referring to is having the CB set up outside (closer to the end rail in Willie's
video), the natural 2:1 and the natural English would be what Freddy refers to as
"Acquired" English as the CB is sliding, inert, dead whatever you wish to call it.
Simply by contacting the OB at a slight angle the CB creates or induces English
to the OB and counter English to the CB the why the CB reverses off the rail.

How'm I doin???

Thanks as always to all for the thoughts and suggestions.

hank
No, set the bank up with a 'slight' back cut, but still use, in this case a tip of 'left' english. Practice these slight back cuts. The objective is to get the ob to come off the rail naturally. Whitey
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:18 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Ok, I need to bring the CB inside the angle, got it.
I'll be trying this before today's 8-ball tourney.
Thanks for the correction.

hank
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:33 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Think (again), I found a way to help with the misinterpretation of your suggestion.
Here's a video from Dr. Dave, I think what you are referring to is at 1:19.
if not can you point out (if it's there), where in the video it might show up.
Thanks, here it is;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8Mu0lIyFg

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

hank
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Old 04-28-2019, 09:23 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Think (again), I found a way to help with the misinterpretation of your suggestion.
Here's a video from Dr. Dave, I think what you are referring to is at 1:19.
if not can you point out (if it's there), where in the video it might show up.
Thanks, here it is;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8Mu0lIyFg

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

hank
Go to 3:10 where it is a across corner bank where you have to cut the ob back. This is it, but only I am trying to portray this on a 'slight' angle, almost a straight bank but not quite. Absolutely no kiss involved.
I am saying this slight back cut needed to pocket the ball, can put reverse english on the ob and then it comes up short of the pocket. So try this shot and see how it works for you. If you are getting the reverse action on the ob then you need to use outside english to offset this.
I know this flies directly in the face of what should happen, but nonetheless it can happen.
So even on a slight back cut, I suggest using a tip of outside english (natural). Whitey
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:48 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

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Go to 3:10 where it is a across corner bank where you have to cut the ob back. This is it, but only I am trying to portray this on a 'slight' angle, almost a straight bank but not quite. Absolutely no kiss involved.
I am saying this slight back cut needed to pocket the ball, can put reverse english on the ob and then it comes up short of the pocket. So try this shot and see how it works for you. If you are getting the reverse action on the ob then you need to use outside english to offset this.
I know this flies directly in the face of what should happen, but nonetheless it can happen.
So even on a slight back cut, I suggest using a tip of outside english (natural). Whitey
Got it.
Thanks for your patience. Been playin' pool since 1962 but never learned the "Language". What I get for just hangin' out at bar tables.
I'll work this into Mondays practice session and let ya know what happens.

Thanks again.

hank
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Old 04-29-2019, 08:38 PM
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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Practice today was ... interesting. Got the normal stuff out of the way and then
started doing some of the 'twist' drill. Worked fine, moved onto the back-cut w/
natural English. Spent the better part of an hour and had a difficult time getting
consistent results so it will get extra work before tomorrow's 8-ball tourney.
Whitey I know if you were looking over my shoulder we'd have it locked-in by now.
Spent the rest of the time doing some 6-ball scatter and attempt to Bank as many
as I can. Scratch and re-start, miss ='s reset and re-do. Then finished with 3 racks
of 15 ball rotation, Banking and kicking as available. Not bad overall 3.5 hours total
time but the back-cut shot bugged me as I couldn't add it to my sheet of 'I can do
this shots". at least not yet Consistency is what was lacking, it will come.

Thanks as always for your thoughts and suggestions.

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Old 05-01-2019, 10:29 AM
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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Got there early started some warm-up stuff and Tony showed up. So we played
a few games of 8-ball. Noticed that I was out of alignment again so worked on
that while playin' with Tony. Finished in the middle of the pack, meh. Did have
several occasions to bank and kick took full advantage of those. Even had a few
of the Back-cut Natural English shots show their faces, got 1, missed 2. Needs
more work. Will need some time for these lessons to take root and the muscle
memory to grab. Don't take this as an I quit, far from it, it's to much fun. Just
need to let me catch up with the new stuff.
Tomorrow is 9-ball so no Tony, and I'll get a few more hours to work on all this
before the tourney. Will let ya know how that goes.

Thanks for all the help and the knowledge.

hank
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:57 PM
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hank
your enthusiasm and desire is refreshing and invigorates me to do what i can to help.....
keep working bro
larry
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:50 PM
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lll, Howdy;

Larry I reckon it's like making a really good stew, got to allow the flavors to
marry-up in order for it to taste right. Just gonna allow what I've learned to
settle a bit then figure out whats what then grab some more.

As always, thanks for the thoughts and suggestions.

hank
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Old 05-02-2019, 08:23 PM
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Howdy All;

Ever had one of those days??? ...

Showed up near 12 noon for a 2:00 pm tourney, set about getting
some practice and warming up. I elected to get into 15 ball rotation
and ... well, it turned out to be something like practicing Safeties and
hooking the CB into impossible to get to the OB locations. This bled
over into the tourney, started to come back around later but ... finished
just out of the money
Ya just gotta chuckle when these days happen , .

We'll see what happens Saturday.

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