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Old 09-30-2019, 08:06 AM
Dennis "Whitey" Young Dennis "Whitey" Young is online now
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/bLwsscyu6THZnDfW7
click on video for sound. My voice is slurred, but sound of balls are good.

This bank shot I learned from Howard K. when I met him at the Cal. Billiards 2018 MOT.
I am shooting it an angle comparable from shooting it from behind the line. This is in slow motion, and what makes this bank possible is that the cb comes off the point and thus gets out of the kiss by going behind the ob.

Thanks Howard, it is a great bank shot! Whitey
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Old 09-30-2019, 12:25 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Well done!

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Old 10-01-2019, 02:24 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Well done!

hank
Thanks, Hank! The angle and line I am shooting this bank on is the same line as if I had ball in hand behind the line. I wanted it this way so the bank would also represent a bank scenario that the shooter had ball in hand behind the line!

But for slow motion and video considerations I moved the cb forward! Stop the video at the point the cb comes off the point and goes behind the ob.

I do not know if this bank is possible without the cb going off the point, any comments welcomed! thanks again! Whitey

real games; spot balls and have ball in hand behind the line!
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:52 AM
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Nice bank whitey
Billie last year at the seniors tourney in Houston
Showed me a similar bank going the long ways where he made the cue ball jump upon hitting the rail to beat the kiss
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:37 AM
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Nice bank whitey
Billie last year at the seniors tourney in Houston
Showed me a similar bank going the long ways where he made the cue ball jump upon hitting the rail to beat the kiss
That sounds like quite a bank! I would suppose that Billy came down on the cb to make it bounce into the ob, thus bouncing up when it hit the rail.

Once upon a time I had been left a 9-ball cross side bank but I there was no way to get out of the kiss when the 9-ball came off the rail. So I jumped the cb into the 9 and landed on top of it whereas the 9 ball coming off the rail and went under the cb.
thanks, for the comment! Whitey
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:10 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

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Thanks, Hank! The angle and line I am shooting this bank on is the same line as if I had ball in hand behind the line. I wanted it this way so the bank would also represent a bank scenario that the shooter had ball in hand behind the line!

But for slow motion and video considerations I moved the cb forward! Stop the video at the point the cb comes off the point and goes behind the ob.

I do not know if this bank is possible without the cb going off the point, any comments welcomed! thanks again! Whitey

real games; spot balls and have ball in hand behind the line!
I got hold of J. Brumback's 2ed video in the past week or so. He's got a
similar bank that he does across as well as long ways. He states that the
jump is the only way to beat the Kiss. He's got it in both videos actually.

Also, I stopped your video just after the balls cross I can move the dot at
the bottom of the screen so I can see it frame by frame. Result is the cue
ball doesn't jump till after it comes off the 2ed. point after the 13 ball had
already escaped. So, maybe you don't need the jump to beat the kiss but
you may not make the Bank due to reduced speed/momentum. Which raises
the question, for the Behind the Line shot wouldn't you loose a lot of the
speed/momentum you'd need to make the shot successfully due to the
distance? Just being curious.

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Old 10-01-2019, 02:25 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;



I got hold of J. Brumback's 2ed video in the past week or so. He's got a
similar bank that he does across as well as long ways. He states that the
jump is the only way to beat the Kiss. He's got it in both videos actually.

Also, I stopped your video just after the balls cross I can move the dot at
the bottom of the screen so I can see it frame by frame. Result is the cue
ball doesn't jump till after it comes off the 2ed. point after the 13 ball had
already escaped. So, maybe you don't need the jump to beat the kiss but
you may not make the Bank due to reduced speed/momentum. Which raises
the question, for the Behind the Line shot wouldn't you loose a lot of the
speed/momentum you'd need to make the shot successfully due to the
distance? Just being curious.

hank
I shot this in an action game last night the long way back and it was 7 7 in ball count. My opponent was astonished.
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:06 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;



I got hold of J. Brumback's 2ed video in the past week or so. He's got a
similar bank that he does across as well as long ways. He states that the
jump is the only way to beat the Kiss. He's got it in both videos actually.

Also, I stopped your video just after the balls cross I can move the dot at
the bottom of the screen so I can see it frame by frame. Result is the cue
ball doesn't jump till after it comes off the 2ed. point after the 13 ball had
already escaped. So, maybe you don't need the jump to beat the kiss but
you may not make the Bank due to reduced speed/momentum. Which raises
the question, for the Behind the Line shot wouldn't you loose a lot of the
speed/momentum you'd need to make the shot successfully due to the
distance? Just being curious.

hank
I do not know if this bank can be made hitting it at less speed, or the desired pocket speed as in OP. I'll have to work on it. This video is an old video that I had posted up on a long gone OP thread, but I recently found it, thus re-posted, so I am not up to speed on it. I'll let you know what I come up with, I would think the speed would not matter!
It is a fun shot, good luck doing it! Whitey
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:08 PM
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I shot this in an action game last night the long way back and it was 7 7 in ball count. My opponent was astonished.
I guess so!!!! What a shot to bury the game ball! thanks for the comment, I wish I could say that, and have that happen in a game. Whitey
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:45 PM
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Hank, I revisited this bank shot, and yes, you can hit it at pocket speed. I suggest using high on the cb so it keeps moving.

One day I was watching speed pool on TV, and my wife walked by and stated; "that is what you should be doing". I use to do it some time ago, but as with exercise I start and stop. But this morning I did it once again. I do 5 games of speed pool and time each game. My times were not great avg. 1:55, I was down around 1:10 before, but it sure was good exercise.

It sure makes me realize how important it is to come down on the shot properly, for it is mainly 1 stroking it. It made it apparent that I have some tendencies on some shots of coming down on them wrong. You have to think quickly and make the right decisions.

If I keep this up, just maybe I'll catch some young buck, and trap him into a match of speed pool, Ha! Ha! Sounds like a pretty good hustle, for who would not accept that game with an old fart! I could get a cane and limp!
My Doc wants me to exercise, and loose some lbs. Whitey
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