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Old 09-15-2009, 07:05 PM
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Default John vs. Billy & Artie Part 2 - Shoot At My Hole Here?....No Way!

Ok, guys, for those of you who couldn't be there, this will give you some idea of Artie's steadfast determination to play cautiously....>>>

This happened early in the second or third game....John pocket-scratched - Artie has ball in hand, and he has pocket A....The 11 and 1 balls were as pictured - the other balls were approx. where I have them placed....Artie's interesting choice here, was not to shoot the 1 or 11 ball into his pocket......he instead elected to clear out the balls in front of John's pocket....this extreme-ducking shot selection, even got a big chuckle out of Billy.....


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PS, Hey Freddy....I don't think your nickname is strong enough, lol...even an anaconda can't squeeze as hard as Artie on that shot...I think that kind of brutal squeezing gives an anaconda about 10-6....


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Old 09-15-2009, 10:03 PM
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An interesting thought occurs to me looking at this. I think a lot of players -- maybe me included -- would shoot the 11 or 1-ball, because we couldn't handle the potential ridicule for passing up that kind of offensive shot with ball in hand -- even if we had some niggling doubts about it. The point is, you have to be comfortable with the "squeeze" mantle just as much as you have to be comfortable with the shot itself. Artie clearly is not going to care what people think of his choice of shot; he's going to be making his decisions 100% on "what is my best shot to win" -- it doesn't have to be pretty.

And speaking of nicknames, it sure sounds like Henderson could be called, "Gentleman John".
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:35 AM
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Ok, guys, for those of you who couldn't be there, this will give you some idea of Artie's steadfast determination to play cautiously....>>>

This happened early in the second or third game....John pocket-scratched - Artie has ball in hand, and he has pocket A....The 11 and 1 balls were as pictured - the other balls were approx. where I have them placed....Artie's interesting choice here, was not to shoot the 1 or 11 ball into his pocket......he instead elected to clear out the balls in front of John's pocket....this extreme-ducking shot selection, even got a big chuckle out of Billy.....


- Ghost


PS, Hey Freddy....I don't think your nickname is strong enough, lol...even an anaconda can't squeeze as hard as Artie on that shot...I think that kind of brutal squeezing gives an anaconda about 10-6....


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A couple or three questions come to mind:

Do folks out there consider this "smart" 1pocket?

Or, do you think of a play like this more like Grady would have probably said from the booth, "This is cowardice of the first order."

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Old 09-16-2009, 09:57 AM
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Good question, Lou. It will be interesting to read Hendy's comments when he gets back home. He's travelling today, so we should hear something by tomorrow.

Artie was playing lock down safe one-hole as Billy's partner. He was having execution problems, presumably because he was only shooting every 4th inning. Because of that, had John been more on his game, the outcome might have been different. Artie did have one run of 7.

In the match with Artie/Hendy, Artie obviously had more turns to gather his stroke. As a result he probably was able to approach his traditional game style.

Artie definitely does not display cowardice. He steps right up to a challenge. Freddy's description is probably more accurate: his style is "gruesome".

While I'm on the subject, I was a little surprised to find out what a nice guy Artie is. He's very unassuming, and willing to help anyone with anything they ask. He freely gave me some pointers. And if our little session hadn't been happening just as an entire flight of matches were about to start, causing all the tables to be used, we probably would have stayed at the table for many hours.

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Old 09-16-2009, 10:14 AM
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How'd the shot turn out?


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Old 09-16-2009, 10:17 AM
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if you dont think you are a lock to make the 2 balls and then move the balls from his pocket its smart. its also smart since artie probably ( my assumption) figured he could do the moving, only shooting at hangers and let billy do the shooting. however its not smart to not get 2 balls when you can( assuming you will be able to get into a good position to move his balls after you get your 2.if where you are now gives you the best chance to move his balls and making 2 wont get you back to a good position then its better to move the balls) you cant win if you dont get balls in your hole.imho
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:31 AM
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artie had to be afraid he would miss because he is out of stroke. so he doesnt shoot at anything that can sell out. not right if you are playing at all as these two balls should be yours then make the knock out.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:37 AM
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I gotta tell you, guys - I probably would have played it the way Artie did. I'm assuming he hit the 2 and the 6 with the cue ball and took out the 4 with the rebounding 2.

Cowardice is a way of life for those of us who don't shoot very straight. It can be overdone, of course, but it's in my game plan right from the time I begin screwing my stick together. And screwing on my tip.

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I'm assuming he hit the 2 and the 6 with the cue ball and took out the 4 with the rebounding 2.


v, as I said in my opening post, I can't remember exactly how the cluster was situated by John's pocket....and Skin, to answer your question - the shot turned out well for Artie's team...the balls were cleared away from John's pocket, and John was left safe on the bottom rail.


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Old 09-16-2009, 02:29 PM
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v, as I said in my opening post, I can't remember exactly how the cluster was situated by John's pocket....and Skin, to answer your question - the shot turned out well for Artie's team...the balls were cleared away from John's pocket, and John was left safe on the bottom rail.


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Well, I'd say it was a good decision, then. All's well that ends well.

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