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Old 06-01-2012, 11:48 PM
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It would be pretty easy for me to be convinced, which is my point (I think ). Hear word of mouth either on here or in person from another player (who I trust) or two who had similar experiences. Or even a fan or two.

When you can surmise in your own head that it's not just people trying to bring him down, and not just a single brain fart he had (i'll def give him the benefit of the doubt once) then there is a pattern there. And obviously, as much pool as he plays, you'd hear about more and more of this stuff over the years. So the pattern would really solidify. I'm just not ready to put him in dirtbag category yet But my mind could change quickly. Why, do you have another case of him pulling something?
TD,

I don't try to bring anyone down. One person posting on the internet can't hurt anybody. I've written "bad" things about many players, mostly having to do with their shot selection though. I've been roundly attacked by many here for my opinions but I don't ever try to drag any player down just as a sport. Try to think of Morra and what he was going through and what he stood to lose here. Many aren't doing that, they only think of SVB.

The other case of SVB "pulling something" is mostly a he said/she said, 50/50 type of questionable thing but as soon as I saw it I SAW it. It happened the next day after Morra beat SVB in the Bank finals. Would you like to see it, knowing that it's not a definitive condemnation of SVB but it is telling? Apparently nobody noticed it but me, not even the co-commentators Jay Helfert & Mark Wilson. It was his opponent's mistake but SVB let him spot a ball he didn't owe, early in the game when he knew no balls were owed but that's subjective as always.

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Old 06-02-2012, 12:57 AM
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TD,

I don't try to bring anyone down. One person posting on the internet can't hurt anybody. I've written "bad" things about many players, mostly having to do with their shot selection though. I've been roundly attacked by many here for my opinions but I don't ever try to drag any player down just as a sport. Try to think of Morra and what he was going through and what he stood to lose here. Many aren't doing that, they only think of SVB.

The other case of SVB "pulling something" is mostly a he said/she said, 50/50 type of questionable thing but as soon as I saw it I SAW it. It happened the next day after Morra beat SVB in the Bank finals. Would you like to see it, knowing that it's not a definitive condemnation of SVB but it is telling? Apparently nobody noticed it but me, not even the co-commentators Jay Helfert & Mark Wilson. It was his opponent's mistake but SVB let him spot a ball he didn't owe, early in the game when he knew no balls were owed but that's subjective as always.

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Dennis,

I wasn't talking about you when I said that, just mentioning if a player who I trusted approached me and I felt he wasn't simply trying to "bring svb down" (for whatever reason), then i'd be apt to add this to the evidence against him.

I believe you on the spotted ball situation. The thing is, as you allude to, it is neither here nor there type of thing, yet noted as always

I just plea to give the kid (and thus US pool) a chance
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Old 06-02-2012, 01:04 AM
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Hey,Is there a rule that says you can't put your cue through a trashcan.I try to keep up with these things ya know I just couldn't help myself And no, you are not an idiot.You seem to make alot of sense.

Just think though If John M. didn't catch it and svb he went ahead and won the tourny and then It came out on dvd I don't know if anyone could do anything after the fact or not.It's really very hard for me just to look the other way on this.I'm like Dennis,I don't care who or what he is.He shouldn't have tried to pull that move.Brain farts and stuff like that just don't cut it either in this situation,imo.Take care and good luck. John B.
I'm with you. It was a big deal and who knows what could have potentially happened.

I have a tape of buddy and archer, and in the last game buddy moves a ball and the cb comes RIGHT over the spot of the moved ball (ie, it WAs a foul and ball in hand). This was hill hill too (I think). Anyway, very important game at the end of the sands. Buddy walked back to his chair (which I dont personally have a problem with), but you can see it move on my tape. Archer won that game shooting from where the cb was, so it was "not of importance". But the point is it is very important for the guy to be watching the table, even with a ref. Thank god morra got up in this situation.

I can dig that match up if anybody is interested (I have a feeling cowboy might be, hehe). Let me know.

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Old 06-02-2012, 10:39 AM
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I can dig that match up if anybody is interested (I have a feeling cowboy might be, hehe). Let me know.
Naw TD, I don't need to see it. An object ball being moved and then the cueball traveling through that area is usually a very subjective thing to call. I never liked playing that way either. Usually only if the cueball hit the moved ball is what I played but others played it different. Of course, playing with clumsy players who constantly move object balls is a different thing altogether, they are a pain.

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Old 06-02-2012, 11:29 AM
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Naw TD, I don't need to see it. An object ball being moved and then the cueball traveling through that area is usually a very subjective thing to call. I never liked playing that way either. Usually only if the cueball hit the moved ball is what I played but others played it different. Of course, playing with clumsy players who constantly move object balls is a different thing altogether, they are a pain.

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I didn't explain good, but the cb DID hit the ob he moved. I failed to mention that. Anyway, just an interesting situation because it was the last game of the finals and could have potentially been so important.

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Old 06-02-2012, 11:46 AM
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I'm with you. It was a big deal and who knows what could have potentially happened.

I have a tape of buddy and archer, and in the last game buddy moves a ball and the cb comes RIGHT over the spot of the moved ball (ie, it WAs a foul and ball in hand). This was hill hill too (I think). Anyway, very important game at the end of the sands. Buddy walked back to his chair (which I dont personally have a problem with), but you can see it move on my tape. Archer won that game shooting from where the cb was, so it was "not of importance". But the point is it is very important for the guy to be watching the table, even with a ref. Thank god morra got up in this situation.

I can dig that match up if anybody is interested (I have a feeling cowboy might be, hehe). Let me know.
You would not believe how many arguments I've had with ole Buddy.Nice guy and all that he is The last one we had..you know what he said to me?....When do I get to win an argument.I said when you are right.I've won all 4 so far.

Oh,funny story about what Buddy pulled.He was in a big ring game and on his last barrel,well the guy in front of him scratches and no one is paying much attention,well Buddy takes ball in hand and runs on out Instead of shooting the spot shot I heard with my own ears,Buddy telling this story.haw haw haw.John B.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:58 AM
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I didn't explain good, but the cb DID hit the ob he moved. I failed to mention that. Anyway, just an interesting situation because it was the last game of the finals and could have potentially been so important.

Best.
I showed a layout on here where Ervolino hit a ball with his cue and the cueball came around and hit it. This was in the middle of the "calling a foul on yourself" morality lessons that were being given by so many here. Needless to say, nobody saw the foul. I'll say again, if nobody calls a foul then there was no foul. Here's the Ervolino foul that wasn't a foul: http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5115

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Old 06-02-2012, 05:54 PM
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TD,

I don't try to bring anyone down. One person posting on the internet can't hurt anybody. I've written "bad" things about many players, mostly having to do with their shot selection though. I've been roundly attacked by many here for my opinions but I don't ever try to drag any player down just as a sport. Try to think of Morra and what he was going through and what he stood to lose here. Many aren't doing that, they only think of SVB.

The other case of SVB "pulling something" is mostly a he said/she said, 50/50 type of questionable thing but as soon as I saw it I SAW it. It happened the next day after Morra beat SVB in the Bank finals. Would you like to see it, knowing that it's not a definitive condemnation of SVB but it is telling? Apparently nobody noticed it but me, not even the co-commentators Jay Helfert & Mark Wilson. It was his opponent's mistake but SVB let him spot a ball he didn't owe, early in the game when he knew no balls were owed but that's subjective as always.

Dennis
i just saw that on the dvd im watching now
there was a coin on the rail left over from the previous game
chris ran a few balls then played safe he took his balls out of his pocket scooped up the coin placed his balls in his tray and took a ball to spot
up
as he walked back to his chair it appeared shane said something to chris which chris responded to but it definitely wasnt that you (chris) didnt owe a ball since the spotted ball stayed spotted and shane continued along
even the commentators were fooled because as chris went to spot the ball they said he owed one (erroneously)

is that how you saw it dennis??
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:09 PM
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i just saw that on the dvd im watching now
there was a coin on the rail left over from the previous game
chris ran a few balls then played safe he took his balls out of his pocket scooped up the coin placed his balls in his tray and took a ball to spot
up
as he walked back to his chair it appeared shane said something to chris which chris responded to but it definitely wasnt that you (chris) didnt owe a ball since the spotted ball stayed spotted and shane continued along
even the commentators were fooled because as chris went to spot the ball they said he owed one (erroneously)

is that how you saw it dennis??
Larry,

I posted a thread this morning about that situation. Upon further review I believe that SVB made inquiry as to why Gentile spotted the ball. Gentile seemed to assure SVB that he did indeed owe a ball. Gentile went brain-dead, that's all, and he convinced SVB he was correct.

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6785

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Old 06-02-2012, 06:20 PM
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i guess i went brain dead by missing your thread....
in my defence i was up all night too (not gambling).......
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