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Old 06-11-2012, 09:49 PM
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or just bang my head into it...
Bille,

You seem to take pleasure in disagreeing with me when JB & I are discussing something, maybe if you knew what you were talking about you'd feel better about it.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:52 PM
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Dennis,
You can always come to Tunica, and beat this dummy at banks...I'll play till the bank runs out of money...
the stun coupled with right english on John's shot and the deflection off the ball forces it to go that way... just saying...

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Old 06-11-2012, 11:51 PM
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You can always come to Tunica, and beat this dummy at banks...I'll play till the bank runs out of money...


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That's the way to woof me, use a line that I've heard at least 100 times from guys who were soon to quit after losing 2 or 3 games.

Show some self-respect Bille and stop woofing at a guy who stopped playing 8 years ago because his eyes went bad. I wouldn't walk across the street to play anyone much less go to another state and you should know that by now.

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Old 06-11-2012, 11:52 PM
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Dear BounceBackBrumback,

First of all Catfish breath, let's get one thing straight before you get everybody around the world chiming in on your behalf: we are not and have never been discussing the best way to bank that ball cross-side. That was not the original discussion. Here's what I said in post #11



You responded by telling me to watch the DVD you so generously sent me.

I responded to that with this:


Do you see the problem CFB? I'm referring to you telling people to use inside to make pockets bigger and you respond by telling me to watch the DVD. We are not discussing the best way to make that cross-side bank.

Now let me be so bold as to directly quote you from your Bank Pool DVD, this is at 3:05 of the DVD:


And yet, in your post above you say:


I'm very confused John, which is it? That bank can't be made with draw at all or maybe sometimes it can but it's not the best way to hit it?

Jeez, if it can be made with a touch of draw then I guess I was right in that post I made months ago.

But if it can't be made with draw as you say in your DVD then I guess you have to fall back on the "bounce-back" theory. That's not very palatable is it? Trying to explain how a cueball comes back so far as it hits a ball almost equal to it in size & weight isn't your long suit is it?

Again, for your information, this is what I am discussing here as long as you don't veer off-course again

Idea & Theroy #1...Shooting a cross-side bank with inside english that doesn't NEED to be hit with inside english does not make the shot easier.

This is the topic John.

Dennis
Hello world.There is this fellow that I gave one of my how to bank dvds ( the guy doesn't miss a trick,let me tell ya) and the first thing he did was to find a huge mistake I made while filming said dvd.It was the cross side shot where you put the cball on the spot and the oball a ball's width away from the rail.Well in the dvd,I did say that you cannot make the shot using draw.I should not have said that.I stand corrected. You CAN make it with draw BUT it is by far the hardest way to make the shot.Most likely when you use draw you will double kiss the shot.However this same fellow is arguing with me,Freddie the Beard and Eddie Taylor.He thinks you should use draw to help hold a ball.He is very wrong about that.Draw makes the object ball go long.Something you do not want on said shot. world.

You really didn't watch the dvd,did you? You really think that I cannot make the pocket play bigger with inside english? Would you be willing to bet on this? You got me.. if you do.Put up a 1000$.You Sir, are fightin a losing argument here.Is that on topic enough......Beer Breath??

Anyone got anymore shot selections?? This ones getting old.I'd like to come up there and give you 9 to 6 palyin full rack and I aint never seen you hit a ball Who in the world would want to hit that shot with draw? Your Friend John B.

if you can't gamble with friends who you going to gamble with? I'd like to bust you then go have some drinks.Bring it on big boy.You ever bit off more than you can chew? Good day sir, you lose this one. Johnny bush beer Breath B.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:07 AM
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Hello world.There is this fellow that I gave one of my how to bank dvds ( the guy doesn't miss a trick,let me tell ya) and the first thing he did was to find a huge mistake I made while filming said dvd.It was the cross side shot where you put the cball on the spot and the oball a ball's width away from the rail.Well in the dvd,I did say that you cannot make the shot using draw.I should not have said that.I stand corrected. You CAN make it with draw BUT it is by far the hardest way to make the shot.Most likely when you use draw you will double kiss the shot.However this same fellow is arguing with me,Freddie the Beard and Eddie Taylor.He thinks you should use draw to help hold a ball.He is very wrong about that.Draw makes the object ball go long.Something you do not want on said shot. world.

You really didn't watch the dvd,did you? You really think that I cannot make the pocket play bigger with inside english? Would you be willing to bet on this? You got me.. if you do.Put up a 1000$.You Sir, are fightin a losing argument here.Is that on topic enough......Beer Breath??

Anyone got anymore shot selections?? This ones getting old.I'd like to come up there and give you 9 to 6 palyin full rack and I aint never seen you hit a ball Who in the world would want to hit that shot with draw? Your Friend John B.

if you can't gamble with friends who you going to gamble with? I'd like to bust you then go have some drinks.Bring it on big boy.You ever bit off more than you can chew? Good day sir, you lose this one. Johnny bush beer Breath B.
When are you going to learn to read? I said:

Idea & Theroy #1...Shooting a cross-side bank with inside english that doesn't NEED to be hit with inside english does not make the shot easier.

I did not say:I cannot make the pocket play bigger with inside english?

They are two different things.

I also never said: you should use draw to help hold a ball.

Yes, I watched the DVD.

P.S. There are many shot selection threads in the one-pocket forum and it seems you never comment on them?

If all you can do is write gibberish write it to Bille.

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Old 06-12-2012, 12:26 AM
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When are you going to learn to read? I said:

Idea & Theroy #1...Shooting a cross-side bank with inside english that doesn't NEED to be hit with inside english does not make the shot easier.

I did not say:I cannot make the pocket play bigger with inside english?

They are two different things.

I also never said: you should use draw to help hold a ball.

Yes, I watched the DVD
P.S. There are many shot selection threads in the one-pocket forum and it seems you never comment on them?

If all you can do is write gibberish write it to Bille.

Dennis
Sorry ole buddy.Guess I can't read then. I thought for sure you were saying that I could not make the pocket play bigger with inside english.

PS: I don't comment in the onepocket forum because I'm not a champion onepocket player,Only banks Sorry again for all the gibberish.Might have had one to many this evenin and I just misunderstood you Sir Peace bro or whatever.John B.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:13 AM
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No...you didn't.

Bille, I know about collisions between billiard balls and one thing you're neglecting to consider is that a ball in motion (cueball) possesses much energy and is only going to "bounce-back" a negligible, almost immeasureable amount for our discussion. You probably would never see it on a pooltable without a high-speed camera filming it.

JB hit the shot with draw and won't admit it, that's all. No need for all the other comments to be made concerning elastic collisions, rebounding, bounce-back or anything else.

Dennis
Dennis and JB,

The use of draw that has been the center of the conversation---> Are we talking at the point of contact between the cue ball and object ball or where the pool cue tip contacts the cue ball????

It is entirely possible that you are both correct just talking about different points in time during the shot.

In order to have a stun ball at the point of contact you would at a minimum have to hit slightly below center (draw) but you could have zero backspin (stun) on the ball when it contacts the object ball.

I say he shot the shot with drun (draw+stun)

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:16 AM
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Here is a super slo-mo of two pool balls of exact same weight colliding, using slow, medium, and fast speeds with no CB spin: ~Doc

http://billiards.colostate.edu/high_...ew/HSVA-82.htm
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:20 PM
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And because even if I did use draw YOU DON"T WANT TO OR NEED TO!!!!! The best way to make that shot is to stun the cball through the object ball!!
No draw,draw WILL make the object ball go long,you do not want that.Why don't you Just addmit that your still hot about that time I got on your butt for you for telling some poor soul to shoot that shot with draw.You were wrong then and you are wrong now! Good day Sir! John B.
Dearest CatfishBreath,

I didn't really remember you "getting on my butt" for anything so I found the thread and my post. Here's what I wrote and here's the thread http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5768:

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I don't shoot banks but like One Pocket. Some of the players talk about inside Engflish and pinching the bank. I always thought a level cue and center cue ball was the most accurate banking method. How often do good bankers use inside English/Pinch? When is it used?
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Joe,

Here is a very basic shot that illustrates the use of inside/pinch. Place the object ball one ball width off the rail at the diamond and put the cueball on the spot. You won't bank the ball cross-side without a touch of inside and maybe a little draw, all depending on your table.
Of course, now that we can't see the WEI table anymore we don't know what layout I drew but I do think I erroneously showed the shot with more draw than I should have.

Since you can read maybe you'll notice that I wrote "a touch of inside and MAYBE a little draw". I also wrote "depending on your table".

Since you and your fanclubbers are such sticklers for being proved wrong I thought I'd show you something and ask you about it, as long as you can keep your ego in check and keep it friendly.

Here are the two cross-side banks from your DVD. The 1st shot is the 3 ball and you use minimal draw and the 3 ball goes wide into the pocket.

On the 2 ball bank you use much more draw and the 2 ball pulls up much shorter and hits the left side of the pocket.


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Wouldn't you expect the 2 ball to go wider since you used more draw on it? Shouldn't the 3 ball have pulled up shorter since you used less draw on it?

Maybe, just maybe, I actually knew what I was talking about. Maybe it depends on your table? You think? Maybe it depends on several factors. Maybe I know what they are without actually having wrote them all in my post, you think? I was just trying to show a simple shot to someone trying to learn how to "pinch" a bank. I wasn't making a DVD.

The point, CatfishBreath, is that I didn't write anything wrong in my post to Joe although I still think I showed the layout with more draw than I should have. Sorry for that error but I probably haven't set it up and shot it in 20 years. You on the other hand set it up for your DVD and shot it and pulled it up shorter with more draw than you did with less draw. Go figure.

P.S. CatfishBreath, I am off till saturday night and have a case of beer and 3 bottles of Jenna's finest (12 yr. old).

P.Ps. My original point to you in this thread, which you still have not addressed, was this: Idea & Theroy #1...Shooting a cross-side bank with inside english that doesn't NEED to be hit with inside english does not make the shot easier.

Feel free to comment if you'd like and remember this; "all publicity is good publicity".

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Dearest CatfishBreath,

I didn't really remember you "getting on my butt" for anything so I found the thread and my post. Here's what I wrote and here's the thread http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5768:





Of course, now that we can't see the WEI table anymore we don't know what layout I drew but I do think I erroneously showed the shot with more draw than I should have.

Since you can read maybe you'll notice that I wrote "a touch of inside and MAYBE a little draw". I also wrote "depending on your table".

Since you and your fanclubbers are such sticklers for being proved wrong I thought I'd show you something and ask you about it, as long as you can keep your ego in check and keep it friendly.

Here are the two cross-side banks from your DVD. The 1st shot is the 3 ball and you use minimal draw and the 3 ball goes wide into the pocket.

On the 2 ball bank you use much more draw and the 2 ball pulls up much shorter and hits the left side of the pocket.


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Wouldn't you expect the 2 ball to go wider since you used more draw on it? Shouldn't the 3 ball have pulled up shorter since you used less draw on it?

Maybe, just maybe, I actually knew what I was talking about. Maybe it depends on your table? You think? Maybe it depends on several factors. Maybe I know what they are without actually having wrote them all in my post, you think? I was just trying to show a simple shot to someone trying to learn how to "pinch" a bank. I wasn't making a DVD.

The point, CatfishBreath, is that I didn't write anything wrong in my post to Joe although I still think I showed the layout with more draw than I should have. Sorry for that error but I probably haven't set it up and shot it in 20 years. You on the other hand set it up for your DVD and shot it and pulled it up shorter with more draw than you did with less draw. Go figure.

P.S. CatfishBreath, I am off till saturday night and have a case of beer and 3 bottles of Jenna's finest (12 yr. old).

P.Ps. My original point to you in this thread, which you still have not addressed, was this: Idea & Theroy #1...Shooting a cross-side bank with inside english that doesn't NEED to be hit with inside english does not make the shot easier.

Feel free to comment if you'd like and remember this; "all publicity is good publicity".

RBL
Hey my good ole buddy.I sure have missed ya I'm sorry for being a jerk every now and then.Your right again,I let my ego get to me sometimes Ok so that cross side can be made with a little draw even though I don't think that's the best way to hit though. I was just kidding when I made the comment about the balls bouncing off one another.I really don't know if they do or not.I tried to take a look at the vid Doc put up about the bouncy balls but I couldn't get the dern vid to come up.Maybe they do maybe they don't.I'm quite sure your right though with that fancy smart book you got.I got to go take a boat motor off right now (and have a couple cold ones) so I'm going to duck that question once again.Talk to ya later bud.When I get back you will get my answer.John B.
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