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Old 02-23-2006, 11:51 PM
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Default End Game Situations..what to do?

Hi all. I've been playing one pocket for about 2 years and am still pretty green at it. Definitely shoot way too much at my hole. I do play decent 9ball level, enough when I was in college to win the ACUI tourny. I tell you that not to toot my horn as much to give you an idea of my play level so you can weigh that factor in evaluating my shot selection choices. The other day I was left this. My pocket is on top.

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Pretty familiar situation eh? I think this comes up nearly every session I play.

My thoughts were
a) Cut bank with about 2 cuetips of right and a bit of draw as well. Cueball 3 rails into the bottom corner uptable.
b) Kick the ball out bottom rail first with top and a bit of left. Try to stick whitey and take the object ball one rail out towards the top corner. Dont hit the ball hard enough to go all the way into the corner pocket or out of play completely. Hopefully end up straight in with the cueball.

So whats the correct play from here? B is what I chose because earlier I tried A and hit it so bad it curved, missed the 8 entirely and scratched. I have executed A quite a few times but I dont hold up well with this shot when I'm under alot of pressure. Should I practice A more until this shot is much more reliable? Tony Chohan came through south florida a while back and he for sure seemed to always take choice A and most of the times made or hung the ball and never seemed to scratch. I can maybe execute this shot 4/10 times whereas the kick is at least 7-8/10 if not more.

Should I do something completely different?

How does your advice change if we move the cueball one to 1.5 diamonds south?
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Old 02-24-2006, 12:01 AM
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Default You might try this

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You would be surprised with a little practice how often you can get this ball close to your hole (on a fast table)
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Old 02-24-2006, 12:06 AM
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Interesting....hmmmm

That shot is not a sellout? Seems like I could
a) miss entirely (really bad)?
b) hit it too thick and leave a very makeable cross corner return bank?

This shot is what you recommend for $100 a game?

I will go to my table here and check this shot out. Thanks for the input!
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Old 02-24-2006, 02:53 AM
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[/QUOTE]Pretty familiar situation eh? I think this comes up nearly every session I play.

My thoughts were
a) Cut bank with about 2 cuetips of right and a bit of draw as well. Cueball 3 rails into the bottom corner uptable.
b) Kick the ball out bottom rail first with top and a bit of left. Try to stick whitey and take the object ball one rail out towards the top corner. Dont hit the ball hard enough to go all the way into the corner pocket or out of play completely. Hopefully end up straight in with the cueball.

So whats the correct play from here? B is what I chose because earlier I tried A and hit it so bad it curved, missed the 8 entirely and scratched. I have executed A quite a few times but I dont hold up well with this shot when I'm under alot of pressure. Should I practice A more until this shot is much more reliable? Tony Chohan came through south florida a while back and he for sure seemed to always take choice A and most of the times made or hung the ball and never seemed to scratch. I can maybe execute this shot 4/10 times whereas the kick is at least 7-8/10 if not more.

Should I do something completely different?

How does your advice change if we move the cueball one to 1.5 diamonds south?[/QUOTE]



With the way you have the balls 'Weied out', your shot B is one of the 2 best choices - just kick the ball out bottom rail first, left english, medium speed....The second option, and it's a good shot, and part of the arsenal of all very knowledgable one pocket players is this: Hit the long rail first with running outside english above the object ball, the cueball then deflecting off of the object ball with about a 1/4th of a ball hit - the object ball will then go 2 rails and end up near your pocket and the cueball will go 4 rails and ideally end up at the middle of the bottom rail, leaving no angle for your opponent to have a cross corner bank............Now, if the cue ball was say, another 6 inches forward off of the rail, and you're a player with good eyes who sees the edge of the ball well, then the thin-cut cross corner bank using maximum outside english is a viable shot....however, in choosing to shoot the bank, along with the concern of hitting it bad, there's always the dreaded danger of scratching one rail in the side or two rails in the corner.

Lastly, no offense to the Grinder, but his shot recommendation is, to put it as politely as I can...irrational..............................Ghost

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Old 02-24-2006, 08:19 AM
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I like going to the bottom rail first with left hand english hitting the object ball and making it go to about the middle of the table close to my side pocket. Trying to hit the cue ball so it sticks to where it hit the object ball. This leave you with almost no shot to your pocket and I will have a decent chance of a good shot or bank when you get through. I don't like sending the object ball to the end rail because of the bank possilblies. My thought is if I can leave the object ball in the middle on my side you are going to leave me a shot.---SmSTART(
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Old 02-24-2006, 08:25 AM
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When the object ball is that close to the pocket (as shown) so the bank requires a real thin hit, try top right english sending the cue ball to the long rail between the side "A" and the corner "B" to avoid the scratches. You get a little less 'masse' factor with top right than bottom, too, which improves your shot accuracy, correct?

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When the object ball is up a little more, so you can hit it a little thicker, then you can go with the low outside english to miss the potential scrathes -- especially if you are playing with rails that play short. If the conditions are right, and the ball is out enough, and you can comfortably cue the cue ball with that low right, then I like this shot. Of course that is alot of 'ifs'!

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On tables with new dry cloth that slide alot you have this route available:

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Old 02-24-2006, 08:29 AM
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I like going to the bottom rail first with left hand english hitting the object ball and making it go to about the middle of the table close to my side pocket. Trying to hit the cue ball so it sticks to where it hit the object ball. This leave you with almost no shot to your pocket and I will have a decent chance of a good shot or bank when you get through. I don't like sending the object ball to the end rail because of the bank possilblies. My thought is if I can leave the object ball in the middle on my side you are going to leave me a shot.---Sm
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I'd like to add that given the lie of the cue ball in the original post, close to the head rail, I believe I'd be shooting this kick option as well. Just don't kick too far 'under' the object ball or you will nose dive into the pocket for a game-over scratch!
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Old 02-24-2006, 09:21 AM
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Default A very key situation

This lie comes up in the end game repeatedly. With at least one ball on the other side of the table, and in certain situations, the bank would be the right shot. Banking that ball to your side would be worth the risk -- the bank is risky-- however, afterward it would be difficult for your opponent to keep you from having a bank after his safety. This is that situation. START(
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This is how it would look after execution.
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With one ball on the table in a high pressure game, and because you dont figure to actually make the shot, the risk doesnt justify the reward. Most of the time all you will be doing is putting a ball on your side that can be easily removed. The kick is a simple, no pressure option. The bank option (or the Ghost's rail first, 4 rail cue ball) becomes strong only when you have that other ball in reserve on the back rail waiting to be free-banked.
However, move the cue ball 1 diamond closer and the bank is the right shot because you are more likely to hit the shot good.

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Old 02-24-2006, 10:20 AM
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Default Endgame Situation #2

Thanks for the input guys. Whenever it gets down to one ball like this, I find myself struggling to know when to duck and when to shoot at my hole.

I like One Pocket Ghost's rail first, four rails around when the cue ball is closer to the bottom rail. In trying the shot out on my home Diamond, it seemed to be very effective when the cueball was about 1.5 to 2 diamonds lower, whereas when the cueball was near the center of the uptable end rail I think the kick offered the best results. I think I may have been overhitting the kick. Leaving the ball near the center of the table seems to have alot of value.

Here's another endgame situation I had the other day. I tried it as diagrammed and missed and the return was almost identical to the first endgame situation I diagrammed above but only this time my opponent spun the bank shot for the cheese. Anyways, heres what I attempted:

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Cue ball and object ball were both off the rail about about 0.5-1 inch. Is this how you guys would have played this?

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Old 02-24-2006, 06:02 PM
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Steve you are so right. I forgot to say anything about the scratch. You really need to make sure that you come in good solid contact with the object ball to prevent a scratch. Also not hitting the cue ball hard will help it not have a bounce back effect.---Smitty
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