Cooney vs. Joyner

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

Here's a situation from the 1998 World One Pocket Championship. Jack Cooney has just jawed up his game ball and it's Joyners shot. He has pocket 'A' and needs 8 balls.

Hint: When Joyner's inning ends, there are no balls on the table. But he ends up losing the game. What did Joyner do?

This layout taken from a television screen but is very representative of the layout and situation.

P.S. SJD, didn't you tell me that you were there for that tournament? I'm still waiting for Accustats to convert the tapes to DVD so I can see your match.

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Dudley · May 21, 2009

I think he banks in the five- plays shape for the 8, 11, and 1. Then runs everything and follows in the 14 to give him two on the spot. (maybe?)

Dudley

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

Dudley said:
I think he banks in the five- plays shape for the 8, 11, and 1. Then runs everything and follows in the 14 to give him two on the spot. (maybe?)

Dudley

Dudley,

Close but no cigar. On the right track though.

Dennis

vapros · May 21, 2009

CD, I have this match on DVD. Joyner puts down his cue and takes a break, then comes back and puts on quite a show.

I also have the DVD with the SJD-Joyner match that you mentioned. Check into it.

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

vapros said:
I also have the DVD with the SJD-Joyner match that you mentioned. Check into it.

vapros,

I've not only checked into it, I've ordered it. It has not been transferred to DVD by Accustats yet. Although I'm sure there are bootleg copies of it available by people who have transferred it to DVD from a VHS tape. I will wait until Pat Fleming is done and ships it to me.

Dennis

Fatboy · May 21, 2009

Cowboy Dennis said:
vapros,

I've not only checked into it, I've ordered it. It has not been transferred to DVD by Accustats yet. Although I'm sure there are bootleg copies of it available by people who have transferred it to DVD from a VHS tape. I will wait until Pat Fleming is done and ships it to me.

Dennis

On that topic, I called Accustats yesterday and asked them to transfer all the 1P tapes to DVD, I dont know how much unfluence I will have, but man who has a VHS recorder and uses it anymore. Pat has a great catalog of videos and its a shame to see them stuck on tape, having DVD is nice to replay a shot several times.

I absolutley will not buy a booth leg copy of any Accustat video, or take it for free(if someone offered) Pat has earned his $$ and in principal its not right to steal from him.

NH Steve · May 21, 2009

Cowboy Dennis said:
Here's a situation from the 1998 World One Pocket Championship. Jack Cooney has just jawed up his game ball and it's Joyners shot. He has pocket 'A' and needs 8 balls.

Hint: When Joyner's inning ends, there are no balls on the table. But he ends up losing the game. What did Joyner do?

This layout taken from a television screen but is very representative of the layout and situation.

P.S. SJD, didn't you tell me that you were there for that tournament? I'm still waiting for Accustats to convert the tapes to DVD so I can see your match.

I'm thinking he would have to bank the five. What he shoots next would depend on what position he got off the bank. I wonder if he drew into the nine, to get it eventually out on the spot, where it would go to his pocket a whole lot better than it does here.

How is Cliff doing these days, btw? He seemed very uncomfortable shooting at Derby City.

androd · May 21, 2009

Cowboy Dennis said:
Here's a situation from the 1998 World One Pocket Championship. Jack Cooney has just jawed up his game ball and it's Joyners shot. He has pocket 'A' and needs 8 balls.

Hint: When Joyner's inning ends, there are no balls on the table. But he ends up losing the game. What did Joyner do?

This layout taken from a television screen but is very representative of the layout and situation.

P.S. SJD, didn't you tell me that you were there for that tournament? I'm still waiting for Accustats to convert the tapes to DVD so I can see your match.

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I'm curious, what did Jack shoot ?
Rod.

CaliRed · May 21, 2009

androd said:
I'm curious, what did Jack shoot ?
Rod.

Rod,

If you click the 1/11 icon just to the left of the bottom right pocket, he had 11 screens to watch... I think one of the is blank though.. I think #9, for me anyways.

I should have a nice tutorial up for everyone this weekend.... it will be a video type of tutorial. I'm going to do a basic one first just to get everyone going and then a more advanced one later.

CaliRed

androd · May 21, 2009

CaliRed said:
Rod,

If you click the 1/11 icon just to the left of the bottom right pocket, he had 11 screens to watch... I think one of the is blank though.. I think #9, for me anyways.

I should have a nice tutorial up for everyone this weekend.... it will be a video type of tutorial. I'm going to do a basic one first just to get everyone going and then a more advanced one later.

CaliRed

Thanks, but what jack did isn't one of the scenes.
PS; Thanks in advance for the tutorial.
Rod.

CaliRed · May 21, 2009

androd said:
Thanks, but what jack did isn't one of the scenes.
PS; Thanks in advance for the tutorial.
Rod.

oh... I guess I was under the impression the shots he shot were those displayed. You know.... this shoeleather tastes awfully bad

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

CaliRed said:
Rod,

If you click the 1/11 icon just to the left of the bottom right pocket, he had 11 screens to watch... I think one of the is blank though.. I think #9, for me anyways.

I should have a nice tutorial up for everyone this weekend.... it will be a video type of tutorial. I'm going to do a basic one first just to get everyone going and then a more advanced one later.

CaliRed

CaliRed,

The 9th page is not blank. It shows the cueball and 14 ball in the pocket. I made the 11th page because I forgot to mention that Cooney now had BIH. Some people need to be told that or they get confused.

Dennis

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

androd said:
I'm curious, what did Jack shoot ?
Rod.

Rod,

You are killing me. But here it is anyway. But just do not ask what he shot before the 2 ball.

The final cueball resting place here is approximate. I know of no way to go back and insert previous shots into a WEI layout. It seems like some imbecile suggested last night that that would be a good idea. I wish I knew who it was.

Dennis

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androd · May 21, 2009

Cowboy Dennis said:
Rod,

You are killing me. But here it is anyway. But just do not ask what he shot before the 2 ball.

Dennis, I don't care what he shot before, only what he did with CB in hand and 3 balls on the spot, after Cliff followed in the 14 ball.
Rod <--- still nosy after all these years.

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

Fanatic said:
its fun to watch if your bored at home on a friday night.
XOXO

Fanny,

Who could possibly be bored at home with your cat on their screen? All I have to say about your commentating is: Dammmmnnnn. I guess you know more than we figured.

Dennis

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

androd said:
Cowboy Dennis said:

Rod,

You are killing me. But here it is anyway. But just do not ask what he shot before the 2 ball.

Dennis, I don't care what he shot before, only what he did with CB in hand and 3 balls on the spot, after Cliff followed in the 14 ball.
Rod <--- still nosy after all these years.

Click to expand...

Rod,

Jeez, I wish you had said that. It'll be a few minutes before I can get it up. (no pun intended).

Dennis

Fanatic · May 21, 2009

Cowboy Dennis said:
Fanny,

Who could possibly be bored at home with your cat on their screen? All I have to say about your commentating is: Dammmmnnnn. I guess you know more than we figured.

Dennis

I'm actually getting bored of my cat (I saw a cartoon squirell with big boobs and I was going to put that on for you as a tribute to your five day disappearance but I'm still deciding which way to go it's between that and this scary cartoon shark eying up some fish

) How bout you pick.

And around here I'm a living legend---maybe it's because of my mean one pocket game or maybe it's because of my good looks

Who knows

XOXO
Fanny

blackeee · May 21, 2009

Cowboy Dennis said:
Here's a situation from the 1998 World One Pocket Championship. Jack Cooney has just jawed up his game ball and it's Joyners shot. He has pocket 'A' and needs 8 balls.

Hint: When Joyner's inning ends, there are no balls on the table. But he ends up losing the game. What did Joyner do?

This layout taken from a television screen but is very representative of the layout and situation.

P.S. SJD, didn't you tell me that you were there for that tournament? I'm still waiting for Accustats to convert the tapes to DVD so I can see your match.

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Bank the 5, pocket the nine on the same shot, run out and follow the 14 in.

Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

androd said:
Dennis, I don't care what he shot before, only what he did with CB in hand and 3 balls on the spot, after Cliff followed in the 14 ball.
Rod <--- still nosy after all these years.

Rod,

Here is a good representation of the endgame. With only one end-table camera angle it's difficult to be precise. But Cliff made a big mistake. Needless to say, but I'll do it anyway, it's Jack Cooney's shot with ball-in-hand behind the line.

Dennis

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Cowboy Dennis · May 21, 2009

Fanatic said:
I'm actually getting bored of my cat (I saw a cartoon squirell with big boobs and I was going to put that on for you as a tribute to your five day disappearance but I'm still deciding which way to go it's between that and this scary cartoon shark eying up some fish ) How bout you pick.

XOXO
Fanny

Fanny,

I like cat.

Dennis

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