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Old 01-01-2019, 10:30 PM
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Any advisement on best practices to break the balls?
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Old 01-01-2019, 10:57 PM
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Any advisement on best practices to break the balls?
There is a One Pocket primer here on onepocket.org that has some tips on the standard break:
http://www.onepocket.org/getting-started/

Not shown there, but there is also a practice setup you can work on that is reported to improve your break for One Pocket. Instead of racking a full 15 balls, you only rack the top three. The advantage of this practice is that you can readily see if you are hitting the optimum amount of the head ball. The idea being, a perfect light clip on the head ball before striking the second ball, sends the 3rd ball right into your pocket. But if you are hitting too much of the head ball, the 3rd ball goes toward the bottom rail; too little and the 3rd ball hits the side rail first. In other words, apparently the same pure hit with just three balls -- that pockets the 3rd ball -- is the ideal hit with a full rack
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Old 01-02-2019, 12:37 AM
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I have heard of this three ball drill before, but I wonder if it has the practical benefits claimed.

Firstly, there are 12 balls missing, all of which can have an effect on the results of your break.

I doubt from a physics standpoint whether the hit on the head ball that sends the third ball to your hole will do the same for the corner ball when all 15 balls are racked.

Almost all my recollections of scratching on the break involve a kiss off the last ball in the rack. That ball not being there completely eliminates my knowing if I am practicing scratching.

Seems to me that practicing the break with all 15 balls is necessary.
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:20 AM
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I have heard of this three ball drill before, but I wonder if it has the practical benefits claimed.

Firstly, there are 12 balls missing, all of which can have an effect on the results of your break.

I doubt from a physics standpoint whether the hit on the head ball that sends the third ball to your hole will do the same for the corner ball when all 15 balls are racked.

Almost all my recollections of scratching on the break involve a kiss off the last ball in the rack. That ball not being there completely eliminates my knowing if I am practicing scratching.

Seems to me that practicing the break with all 15 balls is necessary.
do you think the scratch off a kiss from the last ball in the rack is more a result of a gap between the balls rather than a bad hit ? i do.
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when the cue ball goes straight into the corner the bad hit is obvious.
for the op i think the 3 ball drill is good but breaking with the full rack is necessary.
from my experience in showing new players the break
they often dont get enough inside spin on the the cue ball
so there is little to no inside spin when it reaches the rack or to hold it when it gets to the foot rail
using a stripe as your cue ball will show you how much spin you have when the cue ball reaches the rack
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:08 AM
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I have heard of this three ball drill before, but I wonder if it has the practical benefits claimed.

Firstly, there are 12 balls missing, all of which can have an effect on the results of your break.

I doubt from a physics standpoint whether the hit on the head ball that sends the third ball to your hole will do the same for the corner ball when all 15 balls are racked.

Almost all my recollections of scratching on the break involve a kiss off the last ball in the rack. That ball not being there completely eliminates my knowing if I am practicing scratching.

Seems to me that practicing the break with all 15 balls is necessary.
Oh, I agree 100% -- the three ball drill is just to help get a feel for the right clip on the head ball -- ultimately you need all 15 balls.

The other thing is, where do you place the cue ball? My thought in general is that closer to the rail is "more aggressive" -- but the geometry naturally gives you a more solid hit on the 2nd ball from that angle, and what I have observed is the corner ball is more prone to leaking out on your opponent's side.
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Old 01-03-2019, 07:45 PM
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I've had good luck aiming to cut the head ball at the first diamond above the corner pocket on the long rail. VP4 agrees.

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Old 01-03-2019, 08:08 PM
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if you cant make a spot shot with inside spin you cant hit where you are aiming on the break shot with spin. simple as that. so learn that simple shot first.

every break is different on how much spin you use, speed, and where you hit the rack and place the cue ball for the break.

a lot of this depends on the rack, cloth, speed of cloth, humidity, conditions of the balls etc.

and most of all, on what you need to accomplish with this particular break to help win this game.
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do you think the scratch off a kiss from the last ball in the rack is more a result of a gap between the balls rather than a bad hit ? i do.
icbw
when the cue ball goes straight into the corner the bad hit is obvious.
for the op i think the 3 ball drill is good but breaking with the full rack is necessary.
from my experience in showing new players the break
they often dont get enough inside spin on the the cue ball
so there is little to no inside spin when it reaches the rack or to hold it when it gets to the foot rail
using a stripe as your cue ball will show you how much spin you have when the cue ball reaches the rack
Larry,

Sorry i somehow had not seen your question earlier. To answer, I'm not sure which is the most culpable. My own experience is that I scratch mostly if I clip that last ball. Seems that when I hit too much of the second ball, I don't scratch, but hit the long rail (where all kinds of bad things can happen). If I hit too much head ball, I can scratch without clipping the last ball.

I seem to sacrifice accuracy when I try to get significant spin on the CB, so I focus more on an accurate hit and speed (with a little inside on the CB). I do go to the side rail with the CB to break from because it is more aggressive (more force/energy goes to pushing balls to the side rail than the bottom rail).

As i said to Steve, I don't care for the three ball break drill because it does not mirror a full rack break, and you get NO feedback about the CB (which is in my opinion the most important feedback to seek).

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I've had good luck aiming to cut the head ball at the first diamond above the corner pocket on the long rail. VP4 agrees.

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PJ,

Would you say that your aiming thought is the same as aiming at the C/L of the second ball, and perhaps a bit more difficult to visualize as well as execute?
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:47 PM
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PJ,

Would you say that your aiming thought is the same as aiming at the C/L of the second ball, and perhaps a bit more difficult to visualize as well as execute?
I'm sure an alignment like that could be found for the shot, but it wouldn't be the most precise way for me to visualize it. The most precise way I know to aim a shot is the way I aim all shots - cutting the ball at a target.

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Larry,

Sorry i somehow had not seen your question earlier. To answer, I'm not sure which is the most culpable. My own experience is that I scratch mostly if I clip that last ball. Seems that when I hit too much of the second ball, I don't scratch, but hit the long rail (where all kinds of bad things can happen). If I hit too much head ball, I can scratch without clipping the last ball.

I seem to sacrifice accuracy when I try to get significant spin on the CB, so I focus more on an accurate hit and speed (with a little inside on the CB). I do go to the side rail with the CB to break from because it is more aggressive (more force/energy goes to pushing balls to the side rail than the bottom rail).

As i said to Steve, I don't care for the three ball break drill because it does not mirror a full rack break, and you get NO feedback about the CB (which is in my opinion the most important feedback to seek).



PJ,

Would you say that your aiming thought is the same as aiming at the C/L of the second ball, and perhaps a bit more difficult to visualize as well as execute?
thanks for the reply darrell
in your question to PJ
what do you mean by the C/L of the second ball?
for me i had trouble getting consistent hits on the first 2 balls when i tried to "clip" them
thru trial and error i came upon aiming at the base of the second ball
ie ..full in the face
from where i place the cue ball about 9 inches off the side rail
i will clip the front ball just right as it overlaps the second ball and you cannot hit the second ball straight on without clipping the first ball
from the side rail the clip on the front ball might be a bit thin so i would aim a smidgeon to the front ball side of the base of the second ball if necessary

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