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Old 03-14-2019, 09:15 PM
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Whitey & Larry, Howdy;

What planet are y'all from sez me running for the door

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Old 03-14-2019, 09:51 PM
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Whitey & Larry, Howdy;

Ok, back to the more realistic, to me for the present, ...

The table I play on is a funny duck, as mentioned an early 1980's 7' Valley Bar
Box, Hasn't been re-covered or anything except an occasional leveling done
with a 2' Stanley carpenter's level. Monday was a Low pressure (weather day),
and today the barometer is climbing.

Started with my normal routine Lag some to get a feel for speeds up & back as
well as side to side. Then I got into CB only. 2ed diamond (D), to 1st D today
they were going about 1/3 D long. That amounts to about 3.5" . That was a
center hit at the 2ed D. When I shot in front of the 2ed D it went in.
When I opened the angle and shot from Side Pocket to 2ed D it was going
in fairly regularly.

What I did find odd was at times when I was shooting an OB as was
suggested by Whitey (OB in front of 2ed D and CB in front of 3rd D), was that
I would need to use LEFT English about a 1/2 tip to get the OB into the
pocket. Not so when I shot the OB from 2ed D and the CB from Side pocket.
Still mostly short but not much as before.

Does any of this make any kind of sense?

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Old 03-14-2019, 10:21 PM
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Whitey & Larry, Howdy;

Ok, back to the more realistic, to me for the present, ...

The table I play on is a funny duck, as mentioned an early 1980's 7' Valley Bar
Box, Hasn't been re-covered or anything except an occasional leveling done
with a 2' Stanley carpenter's level. Monday was a Low pressure (weather day),
and today the barometer is climbing.

Started with my normal routine Lag some to get a feel for speeds up & back as
well as side to side. Then I got into CB only. 2ed diamond (D), to 1st D today
they were going about 1/3 D long. That amounts to about 3.5" . That was a
center hit at the 2ed D. When I shot in front of the 2ed D it went in.
When I opened the angle and shot from Side Pocket to 2ed D it was going
in fairly regularly.

What I did find odd was at times when I was shooting an OB as was
suggested by Whitey (OB in front of 2ed D and CB in front of 3rd D), was that
I would need to use LEFT English about a 1/2 tip to get the OB into the
pocket. Not so when I shot the OB from 2ed D and the CB from Side pocket.
Still mostly short but not much as before.

Does any of this make any kind of sense?

hank
On your cb kick shots into the corner, it sounds like that coming off the 1st. diamond it ran long by 3.5". This is probably caused by the cushion being severely worn out by the pocket, thus playing soft and spreading the angle, which explains a better result coming off the 2nd diamond where the cushion is not so worn out.
Hank, would you clarify Left english, is it running(natural) or is it reverse? If you are doing the shot as I depicted I think it would be running english. Whitey
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:26 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

The worn out cushion I can understand. Also, I should mention that the balls
only get cleaned once a month and that is the Last Saturday of the month
during the formal meeting it is a VFW after all.

You asked;" Hank, would you clarify Left english, is it running(natural) or is it
reverse? If you are doing the shot as I depicted I think it would be running
english. Whitey " I'm using running in this instance. With the OB in the mix I
needed to go with Reverse.

Thanks again, I do appreciate your help with this.

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Old 03-15-2019, 12:19 PM
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Hank, this thread has been the only game in town, for banking talk, thanks!

I would think, you and your fellow VFW's guys plus the VFW could pool up some funds and fix up that old Valley.

Check with Mueller Recreation Products. I believe they will have new rails already covered that will bolt right on, and also replace the cloth, and in a couple of days, or one day you guys can get her all fixed up. Whitey
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:06 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

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Hank, this thread has been the only game in town, for banking talk, thanks!

I would think, you and your fellow VFW's guys plus the VFW could pool up some funds and fix up that old Valley.

Check with Mueller Recreation Products. I believe they will have new rails already covered that will bolt right on, and also replace the cloth, and in a couple of days, or one day you guys can get her all fixed up. Whitey
Thanks, but these guys & gals are a tight fisted group but there is a guy in Las
Cruces that builds rails for folks like Muller and the others and the Olhausen
family have there store in Las Cruces as well. The guy with the rail business
was also doing tables and still does but on a rare occasion. I have been exploring
these possibilities for about 2 years now. I also found a cue maker (?), so I
can get a shaft when I need one or whatever. Has a decent rep. in the area
and is about the only show around without having to go the extra 50 or 60
miles to El Paso, Tx.

Thank you for taking an interest and helping me feel my way through this
learning curve. I always start with a 90* angle in front of me and you & lll
have helped give it some slope.

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Old 03-18-2019, 09:25 PM
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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

What's up guys???

Today was interesting, humidity is getting back into "normal" ranges, and the
table is ... the table. So, I just practiced finding 2:1 shots, worked the table up
& back. using the center line, and both the lines from diamond to diamond the
length of the table. Results varied due to distance and most likely my stroke /
speed management for the different length of the journeys. Exploring how
much English to add for the distance and if a change in speed will help or hinder.

Any thoughts, tips or hints?

As always, thanks for your thoughts and time to help.

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Old 03-19-2019, 06:38 AM
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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

What's up guys???

Today was interesting, humidity is getting back into "normal" ranges, and the
table is ... the table. So, I just practiced finding 2:1 shots, worked the table up
& back. using the center line, and both the lines from diamond to diamond the
length of the table. Results varied due to distance and most likely my stroke /
speed management for the different length of the journeys. Exploring how
much English to add for the distance and if a change in speed will help or hinder.

Any thoughts, tips or hints?

As always, thanks for your thoughts and time to help.

hank
when shooting the 2:1 in a straight line ie no cut necessary
check if you hit a stop shot with no spin if there is spin and/or drift the results dont tell you what you want because it was not a pure hit
you can use this drill to practice your stroke and banks at the same time...
to experiment with one use of english to make a bank try this
line up the cue ball and object ball parrallel to the foot rail and one diamond up from the foot rail
put the object ball 2 diamonds from the side rail
aim straight ahead and see how much english you need to throw the object ball enough to make the bank
after you get comfortable with that
move the object ball one diamond closer to the rail you are hitting into
now see how much english you need to throw the object ball to make the bank
as you get really close you will need to cut the object ball some
you should find you need more english the closer the object ball gets to the rail

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Old 03-19-2019, 10:33 AM
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lll, Howdy;

Thanks for the drill. I can check this out Thurs. before the 9-ball tourney. My
friend Tony (91 years young), doesn't care for 9-ball so I warm-up solo then.
Sounds interesting and like a nice mental challenge.

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Old 03-19-2019, 10:39 AM
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lll, Howdy;

Thanks for the drill. I can check this out Thurs. before the 9-ball tourney. My
friend Tony (91 years young), doesn't care for 9-ball so I warm-up solo then.
Sounds interesting and like a nice mental challenge.

hank
in onepocket alot of times you want to hit the object ball fuller to control cue ball movement so you to have to fabricate the angle for the bank with spin
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