Watching Efren play Onepocket..the first time

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How can you possibly make the statement that you can't learn to play one pocket , and it won't help your game doing commentary?

Do you know how many people have come up to me and thank me for helping them with their game through commentary?

Commentary is having a conversation with the person next to you, you basically talk about the match, score, and options that are and may be available. It's the best tool available to learn off of, and 1,000"s of people have improved their game listening to commentary as they watch what is happening.

I have had conversations with the best players in the world doing commentary for the past 25 years, probably longer than that. I have learned many, many things about one pocket, 9 ball, and even straight pool through commentary.

What's more instructional than to watch a game being played (any game or sport) while listening to two knowledgeable people discuss the pro's and con's of the choices made by the players competing?

I have had the luxory, and privilidge to sit next to at least 30 differen't champions and do commentary. How can you possibly think that I didn't learn any thing?

When ever some one makes that kind of a statement like the one you just made, it makes me wonder.

Billy I.

wow, I just wrote 2 long posts.. I decided against one post, then I wrote a whole new one, that went on for awhile. I decided against posting that one too.

So I will force myself to say what I wanted to, in 2 sentences. (I just came back up here to write that I failed again at keeping it at 2 sentences):):eek::(

Artie, you telling the best commentator in the pool industry, how to commentate and taking jabs at him for how he does it.. is very self centered and delusional.

I have wrote many posts on how Billy is the best commentator by far, that I have ever heard. He is a great teacher and very knowledgeable and very pasionate on people learning. He also has a natural ability to translate all of that knowledge to a wide range level of pool players.

Artie.. I have kept my mouth shut for a few years, and I know I've told you this before, but it was a while ago. So I need to feel like I say it at least once a year, because I read it everyday and it grates on my nerves over time, but I suck it up. I got to release it every now and then, because I am saying it, not to be mean spirited, but to hopefully cause you to take a brief moment to think about what I said. That' it.

I enjoyed meeting you at the Derby. You seem like a nice guy and you actually seemed quiet and polite over there by Freddy's booth. Maybe you're only like this on the forums..... but here's my suggestion......

Please stop promoting yourself as the greatest, smartest, most perfect playing onepocket player every known to man, to us regulars at least once every day. We all understand how you feel about yourself when it comes to onepocket and casino betting. We understand because you tell us every day somewhere in one of your posts. It's almost as if you are selling something. That something is you... and how great you are. It's ok that you feel that way about yourself.. but there is really no need in trying to sell your belief to us every day, thinking that eventually everyone will buy it.

That's it.... !!! One simple little small thing.... When you start to drift off into the bragging about yourself... just stop and say to yourself...

"Hey... no reason to tell these guys about how I know the perfect way to play onepocket and how great I was at it. I've already told them a bunch of times and if I tell them again, I might start to get on their nerves"

Please..... do not take it personal... I'm just being honest and truthful. It's perfectly ok if you disagree with me too. I can accept that.
 

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excellent point Freddy:) :rolleyes: :D


Since you learned Freddy can you be more spacific. What you learned. It sounds like you were a teacher. Or a player giving a lession.

Comontating is anouncing eveything that is going on in a game. The score and what the player is shooting.

And ehats his next shot and why he is shooting the shot. And Does the player he is playing havea chance.

I watchet thousands off foot ball games and basket ball games Hocky games Soccer Fights .

All different sports and events. And the talk about what the players are doing.

On every play. And the best comontators were the ones on RAdio.

THey gave you every pitch every batter . All the stricks and balls.

And the score. What inning and the pitchers.

On radio it was more important to give every pitch and detail. Because you cannot see the game like on TV.

And People want too no everything and exacly whats going on in the game.

Especialy if you are betting youre money on the game. All the Trivia id fine but. Its more important too no what is going on in the game.

And pull up a DVD and see what goes on. Shoe it out in the open.

And you no I am wright. And you agree because you were the instructer.

Witch I feel Billy might have a different point off view. And I no you Freddy and you love kibatzing. And makeing it funny exciting and interesting.

And you love that and thats what you enjpy doing.

You would be a world champion on a talk Show. And you are hillarious and witty. And comontating is not a instructional lession. Or giving opinions and lessions.

Its aboy talking about the two players and everything that is going on in the game.

If you were doing the same thing on Radio. THe publick wouldnt no whats going on in the game. Because the foucus is on other things.

And that is my opinion. When I am listning too a game betting my money. I want too her about whats going on in the game.

Not all the other nonsnse that doest aply too the game. Thats Why when I bet a game and it means something too me.

I turn the sound off and just watch what happines on every play. Rather then aggrevate myself and listen too some Yo Yo anouncing the game.

I want to her about the game and what is going on in the game. Nothing else.

You can allways cut up jack pots latter. Not during a match. And some people dont even say anything. What are they thier for.

Too watch the game like the specrators.

Being a great comontator takes time patence. And to learn what a good comontatorv does and say.

Good humor is fine at the wright time.

And were did all these people learn to comontate from. Not Yale Or harvaed.

Its just talk and the truth is they never learned it. If they did then tell me were you learned to comontate.

Like playing pool throuhg trial and error. I bring out things other people dont do or say.

THey just excepte what it is.


And For Lenny. Just so you no its easy too talk about resoltes. What If Scott would have lost the 8 game 9 to 8. And won the session.

Would your conversation and what you are saying know been different.

One game difference at that time and THe 8 to 7 and 9 to 8 would have had the same resulte.

And I am pretty ure that Scoptt changed his style from the way he was playing 8 to 7.

He is a smart player. And he will figure out what he has too do to win.

Because he knowes more about the game then Shane. And he can ajust better to doing something different.

Were Shane ony has one style too play. Because he cannt chang dorections with knowledge that Scott can do.

One little game showed a different picture from 8 to 7 to 9 to 8. Do you think SCott played a different style 9 to 8.

Or did he play the same style as he played 8 to 7. And Different styles make the game different.

If Scott played that way in the begining 8 to 7 . Maybe he would have one. WE dont no because things change. And that is what A smart player does.

THe only way too see what chanbed. Is too see the games they played.
 

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And For Lenny. Just so you no its easy too talk about resoltes. What If Scott would have lost the 8 game 9 to 8. And won the session.

Would your conversation and what you are saying know been different.

One game difference at that time and THe 8 to 7 and 9 to 8 would have had the same resulte.

And I am pretty ure that Scoptt changed his style from the way he was playing 8 to 7.

He is a smart player. And he will figure out what he has too do to win.

Because he knowes more about the game then Shane. And he can ajust better to doing something different.

Were Shane ony has one style too play. Because he cannt chang dorections with knowledge that Scott can do.

One little game showed a different picture from 8 to 7 to 9 to 8. Do you think SCott played a different style 9 to 8.

Or did he play the same style as he played 8 to 7. And Different styles make the game different.

If Scott played that way in the begining 8 to 7 . Maybe he would have one. WE dont no because things change. And that is what A smart player does.

THe only way too see what chanbed. Is too see the games they played.

Artie, I think Scott should beat Shane 9/8 or 8/7, he just needs to play one pocket and not turn the game into a shooting gallery. If your playing a 9 ball player one pocket you don't go firing at your hole, you squeeze the stroke out of them I would think. Be patient and wait for the right time because they are liable to take a flyer before you do unless your not thinking right and do not play one pocket. If they play again I will bet on Frost just like I did in the 9/8 match, I think Shane is a great player and if Scott has a bad day then he can lose but we all know he is the favorite and clearly the better one pocket player today.

I would like to see Scott play many of the other top guys you listed before for the cash even up in ahead sets, I think Alex is the only one who truly has a shot even in an ahead set say to 8 or 10 games. Efren I feel would not get there but he has proven us all wrong before when we thought he was finished, he keeps finding a way to win when you think he is toast like when he played Corey in the Open.
 

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Artie, I think Scott should beat Shane 9/8 or 8/7, he just needs to play one pocket and not turn the game into a shooting gallery. If your playing a 9 ball player one pocket you don't go firing at your hole, you squeeze the stroke out of them I would think. Be patient and wait for the right time because they are liable to take a flyer before you do unless your not thinking right and do not play one pocket. If they play again I will bet on Frost just like I did in the 9/8 match, I think Shane is a great player and if Scott has a bad day then he can lose but we all know he is the favorite and clearly the better one pocket player today.

I would like to see Scott play many of the other top guys you listed before for the cash even up in ahead sets, I think Alex is the only one who truly has a shot even in an ahead set say to 8 or 10 games. Efren I feel would not get there but he has proven us all wrong before when we thought he was finished, he keeps finding a way to win when you think he is toast like when he played Corey in the Open.

Lenny, I think Shanes one pocket game is underated, I watched him handle Alex at the DCC and I was very impressed with the way he handled the cue ball as well as his shot selections. He also beat Frost in the same tournament and then went on to defeat Strickland in the finals.

What I really like about his game is his attitude at the table, he seems that nothing bothers him, and if any thing does he has the resiliency to battle back and win. I agree with Artie that Shane has maybe more potential than all the players, not only because of his attitude but because he has the strongest arsenal of shots of all the players excluding possibly Alex.

What puts Shane above Alex is his dedication to the game, his life is pool. And never underestimate the value of dedication. Shane is my choice to be the next great champion, and one pocket is not his favorite game and that's the only reason why he's not number one in the world playing it.

Right now the two best one pocket players in the wolld are Frost and Reyes. Frost has all the tools but but falls short with his work ethics,, Reyes has all the skills but is up in age and on the down swing. But when Reyes is fresh he's still the one to beat.


Just my two cents.

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Lenny, I think Shanes one pocket game is underated, I watched him handle Alex at the DCC and I was very impressed with the way he handled the cue ball as well as his shot selections. He also beat Frost in the same tournament and then went on to defeat Strickland in the finals.

What I really like about his game is his attitude at the table, he seems that nothing bothers him, and if any thing does he has the resiliency to battle back and win. I agree with Artie that Shane has maybe more potential than all the players, not only because of his attitude but because he has the strongest arsenal of shots of all the players excluding possibly Alex.

What puts Shane above Alex is his dedication to the game, his life is pool. And never underestimate the value of dedication. Shane is my choice to be the next great champion, and one pocket is not his favorite game and that's the only reason why he's not number one in the world playing it.

Right now the two best one pocket players in the wolld are Frost and Reyes. Frost has all the tools but but falls short with his work ethics,, Reyes has all the skills but is up in age and on the down swing. But when Reyes is fresh he's still the one to beat.


Just my two cents.

Billy I.

I agree with this, Shane certainly has put in the work and is dedicated, he practices still which is great. Most people think that talent is what its all about in pool, but you need to keep sharp too and practice. I know Scott does not practice and says he is unable to practice at all, he is at a disadvantage because the only time he plays is at a big one pocket tournament or gambling match and there are time he might not play for long stretches where Shane and the other pros are playing one another one event after another. Scott certainly has paid his dues coming up and was beat on like most of us have been, but the difference is he chose not to like it/take it and started beating them.

I just think Frost is capable of being an even better player then he is right now, I think he played better a little over a year ago IMO when he was hungry so to speak. I think his game would come up if he was on the tournament trail playing the top guys but its not his cup of tea, he likes action and gambling I think much more but the top guys in the game are tournament players with sponsors. Scott has accomplished it all in pocket, guaranteed One Pocket HOF member, so what is left to do, what is next?, I think he really needs to get out and play more big rotations tournaments, follow the tours around like the Seminole Tour and we will see an even better and stronger player then he was before, he has all the talent. Shane is winning tournaments at that top level and still gambles too, its hard not to respect and appreciate the guy and we all get to enjoy many more years of him playing too.
 

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can you name a dvd you watched that is representative of your opinion on commenntating so we can watch it and see if we agree???
 

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artie
can you name a dvd you watched that is representative of your opinion on commenntating so we can watch it and see if we agree???


Im sure if I looket at some I could find some good ownes. I hope. But I have too see one to answer Because they areall different.

You pickone out and I will give my opinionon it. And I will say what makes it great. Or ids it just talk and people say whatever they want to say.


Do youalso agree or disagree. Too be a good comontator.You have have too learned it some were.

And WEre did they learnnit. Justblike raising kidseverybody yhinks thier a parant and have paranting skills.

But were did they lear thier paranting skills from.


This is not Bs that I am saying. And I belive ever experrt will afree with me. You neeed to learn the skills if youdont learn them howewill you nomwhat they are.

And that goes for every sublect.
 

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wincardona said:
Thir not playing 8 or nine no cout.

But I no that the player going to none will have a harfer time running out. And that will gove me another chance to still win the game.

Howe much is it worth of a player to still get another chance too win the game.

Pretty big if you ask me. Especialy after playing a lot off games. One more dhot and chance to win. Could be the difference in you winning the session.

Thats why I want the player to go to a higher number. Because it wi;; be harder for him.

I dont wiorry about me needing 7 or 8. Im worried that he will run out. And I wont get a chance to win.

And mostly all players practice running 8 and out. Not nine and out. did you ever try it and see what the difference it is.

You will be surprised. And that extra chance that I might get makrs a big difference. And if they kkep playing watch what I am sating.

And see what happines. And everyone can stick with thier 8 o 7. Because percentafe wise itsa better game.

And we no he is not gettig 8 to 7 no more.So we will see what hapines with 9 to 8. And I am like all peple who bet thier money. If I like something I bet it.

And I havant herd too meny replies from different people. SAying witch game they would rather have Scott or Shane play.

Maybe we can ask the Kisar . If I played a top player. Would Freddy rather have me get 8 top7 or 9 to 8. Not today Freddy. When I could shoot.

And if you dont want to answer its ok.

WE dont want to get youinvolved in anything that is that important. And Maybe the Gost SJD John Golport And whoever wantstoo replie. Even Steven. ITs good to bring this out.

And If I dont get one person to take my side off this. iTs ok and Your entitled too what you think. Im not her to change anyones mind.

Just to bring up different situations and Ideas. ANd who knowes I might not get one out off a hundresd

At least people will see the side of this 7 to 8 and 8 to 9 Witch side they like.

And something is better then nothing. So give your opiion. And people will no what is the most popular choice.
Artie, your mind set is the mind set of the better player in this supposedly match. If you're the better player you want to extend the balls needed for your opponent, but it's unfair for you to explain why it's better for you if the other player has to go to 9 as opposed to 8. Why don't you say that you don't need 8/7 or 9/8? Why don't you say I would rather play 10/10 in balls. By saying that you're clearing up the picture by expressing your feelings about your game.

I don't believe there is a single champion that would rather give a player 8/7 as opposed to 9/8. Understanding that all of the explanations and reasons you have in supporting the opposite should go out the window. And i'm also considering any type of match up.

Here's a question for you. Would you rather take 5/4 as opposed to 9/8? The same principle applies with this choice, only this is an exaggerated example of the problem (or choice)

The player going to the lesser number will be aided in many ways, and not only in running out as you explained was the difference in the two handicapps.

Billy I.
 

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Im sure if I looket at some I could find some good ownes. I hope. But I have too see one to answer Because they areall different.

You pickone out and I will give my opinionon it. And I will say what makes it great. Or ids it just talk and people say whatever they want to say.


Do youalso agree or disagree. Too be a good comontator.You have have too learned it some were.

And WEre did they learnnit. Justblike raising kidseverybody yhinks thier a parant and have paranting skills.

But were did they lear thier paranting skills from.


This is not Bs that I am saying. And I belive ever experrt will afree with me. You neeed to learn the skills if youdont learn them howewill you nomwhat they are.

And that goes for every sublect.

I disagree that to be a good commentator you have to learn it some where Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that a course on the subject won't help most people, but it's not essential for every one to educate themselves. There are people that have knowledge and a natural talent to describe situations to where they are very good at both educating and entertaining people.

There are many people that are good at things that never took a class to improve their talent. There's a difference in being good at something as opposed to being great at the same thing. Classes will polish people and give them the ability to be great or even the best at something. But being good at something is saying that you have natural ability to be very good or great.

I feel there are many players including myself that are good at pool commentary. I'm not saying that the players i'm referring to can't be better, but never the less their still good at it.

Billy I.
 

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I disagree that to be a good commentator you have to learn it some where Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that a course on the subject won't help most people, but it's not essential for every one to educate themselves. There are people that have knowledge and a natural talent to describe situations to where they are very good at both educating and entertaining people.

There are many people that are good at things that never took a class to improve their talent. There's a difference in being good at something as opposed to being great at the same thing. Classes will polish people and give them the ability to be great or even the best at something. But being good at something is saying that you have natural ability to be very good or great.

I feel there are many players including myself that are good at pool commentary. I'm not saying that the players i'm referring to can't be better, but never the less their still good at it.

Billy I.
I would go as far as saying that there are commentators that have never taken a class on the subject that are imo very good. Take John Madden for example, he was the most entertaing color commentators out there, and he also brought a high level of educational value to his comments. My guess is that he probably never took a class, just by listening to him. Some people have a natural ability and are naturally entertaing, and then there are people like Reggie Miller who I think needs to take more classes, and than it may not help him.

I believe if a person has a vast knowledge on a subject and a clear way of describing things that is easily understood, they figure to be good at it. Even without taking a class.

Billy I.
 
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There are many people that are good at things that never took a class to improve their talent. There's a difference in being good at something as opposed to being great.

Billy I.

I agree Bill...My ability to irritate people just came naturally, without any formal training...Cowboy Dennis says I am the best he's ever seen...:eek:

PS..I am no good at comunetayting though...;)
 

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I agree Bill...My ability to irritate people just came naturally, without any formal training...Cowboy Dennis says I am the best he's ever seen...:eek:

PS..I am no good at comunetayting though...;)
And I agree with both you and The Cowboy.

Seriously, I really feel that you among a few other people on this site are the most colorful entertaining people that I have ever listened to. I could read the banter that you guys shared going back and forth for hrs. non stop. Take a break and eat a sandwhich and return for more. I can't imagine the enjoyment that I would have gotten if you would have taken a few classes on the subject.:D :eek: :D

Billy I.
 

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Artie, your mind set is the mind set of the better player in this supposedly match. If you're the better player you want to extend the balls needed for your opponent, but it's unfair for you to explain why it's better for you if the other player has to go to 9 as opposed to 8. Why don't you say that you don't need 8/7 or 9/8? Why don't you say I would rather play 10/10 in balls. By saying that you're clearing up the picture by expressing your feelings about your game.

I don't believe there is a single champion that would rather give a player 8/7 as opposed to 9/8. Understanding that all of the explanations and reasons you have in supporting the opposite should go out the window. And i'm also considering any type of match up.

Here's a question for you. Would you rather take 5/4 as opposed to 9/8? The same principle applies with this choice, only this is an exaggerated example of the problem (or choice)

The player going to the lesser number will be aided in many ways, and not only in running out as you explained was the difference in the two handicapps.

Billy I.

You are trying real hard to confience everyone about something that we all no is the better off the price.

THe best off the price cannot be changed. IT is matamatical correct. Nobody is saying anything different.

Yet you keep saying the same thing over and over. THat we all agreee too.

And you consrantly. Change it to other examplies and cenarieas. THat has never been in the discousion. THat 8 to 7 is not better then 9 to 8. or 5 ro 4 against 6 to 5 .

IT is the best off the game. Just like 8 dollaer to 7 dollaers .Is better then 9 dollaers to 8 dollaers on the price.

And in 98 % off the cases its better for the player. What I said its better for Shane. Scott going too 9 then 8.

THen it is for Shane to go from 7 to 8.

Extra balls and shots are harder too come by from a good player then a bad player,

Because good players dont give upmeny shots. And I would take 9 to 8 over 8 to 7 from any top player rather then the shorter game.

Because it will make it harder for him going too 9 then 8 . And its not going too make much difference me going to 8 or 7. But even for me to go too nine is a bigger difference.

And it will not show up in the math but it will show up in the game. Has anyone ever played running 9 balls instead off 8 balls. And see the difference. TRy it then tell me about it.

And they players you have too ask this qouistion are players who are movers. Not shooters. Because the shooters will take 8 to 7 because they dont no the difference.

All they see is that they have too make less balls. THey dont look and see it will be easier for thier opponent too.

If you play a weack player 4 to 1 or 12 to 3 . Wouldnt you rather play him 12 to 3. Because it will be harder for hinm to make 3 balls then one ball.

And the longer the game the harderfor the weacker player. Because off scratchs one for one.

And needing one ball he will have a chance too always win. On a kick dhot or anyother kind off shot.

You might even make his game ball for him. Breacking up the balls and running out.

And the 7 or 8 will not affect Shane like 9 to 8 will affect Scott. because Shane is the better shooter.

And he might even run 9 balls better then SCott. And that is what you have too look at.

Playing this game. Let Shane improve and If Shane and SCorr ever get werte they play dead rven.

And nobody has a edge. THen the better game for Shane would be 9 to 9 not 8 to 8.

Doesnt the better shooter want too play 10 ball instead off nine ball.

ITs better for the better shooter too make a longer game. Because he makes it harder for his opponent.

Just like the better mover wantsa longer game. Thier is a diffence in running balls. Once you get to a certain about.

JUst like 10 to 9 is way harder too run out then 8 to 7. And thats what you want too do make it haeder for the other player.m
 

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Been reading around lately

Been reading around lately

And I think it's time for this to come back up.Some may have not seen it.I'm even more proud of it now,than I was when I wrote this...

Moral of my story...do not get brainwashed into what's the right shot and what's the wrong shot. What's the right shot for you might not be the right shot for the next guy. Some shots depend on the stroke you got,and the heart or brains or stupidness you got too.Alot of times it pays to just act dumb and or numb and fire. In the end..whoever gets to 8 first... wins the game.

I'll end with saying that this forum is the best place on earth to learn how to play great one pocket and banks:p.Just be carefull and don't get brainwashed into thinking there is just one right shot.Cause that's BS:lol JB
 

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And I think it's time for this to come back up.Some may have not seen it.I'm even more proud of it now,than I was when I wrote this...

Moral of my story...do not get brainwashed into what's the right shot and what's the wrong shot. What's the right shot for you might not be the right shot for the next guy. Some shots depend on the stroke you got,and the heart or brains or stupidness you got too.Alot of times it pays to just act dumb and or numb and fire. In the end..whoever gets to 8 first... wins the game.

I'll end with saying that this forum is the best place on earth to learn how to play great one pocket and banks:p.Just be carefull and don't get brainwashed into thinking there is just one right shot.Cause that's BS:lol JB

Glad to have you back posting John,

Good point,

If I had a dollar for every time my opponent told me my shot was crazy I'd have quite a few dollars. Sometimes they look on and I have to take a swing at it. :)

Dudley
 

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Glad to have you back posting John,

Good point,

If I had a dollar for every time my opponent told me my shot was crazy I'd have quite a few dollars. Sometimes they look on and I have to take a swing at it. :)

Dudley

A guy from Dallas "One Pocket Larry" now deceased, and Louis "Ironman" Jones
from San Antonio both told me I'd never win playing all those "Circus shots" with the balls flying all around the table.
They were wrong ! :p
Rod.
P.S. I don't watch pool on the net or DVD's, I do play almost every weekday and some of the younger straight shooters
that have taken up one pocket never cease to amaze me with their talent. As to the correct shot, they've made me rethink what is safe as they saw'em in from everywhere if you really leave them nothing else to shoot.
I was spotting these guys a year ago. Now I get a small spot. Although one young truck driver gives me 11/7 & 10/7 for whatever I want to bet.
 
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Cowboy Dennis

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Although one young truck driver gives me 11/7 & 10/7 for whatever I want to bet.

If the truck driver was driving one of these then it was me:D.

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The girls and I will be back next week:).

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P.S. Thanks for the compliment but I'm not really that young:p.

P.Ps. Get them guys who "saw 'em in from everywhere" and put 'em on a tight 5 x 10 snooker table. Saw disappears.

RBL
 
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