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Old 06-09-2019, 10:52 PM
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Efren made two mistakes. Billy breaking at 9-8
Hell of match guys

Billy fighting to stay alive

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Old 06-09-2019, 11:05 PM
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Efren wins today's race 10-8 and the match 3 races to 1.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:47 PM
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Efren wins today's race 10-8 and the match 3 races to 1.
Wow, thx for the update.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:54 PM
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Congrats to Efren the Old Man still has some One Pocket Magic

Billy showed the heart of a true champion and battled Efren the whole way.

These two guys put on one hell of show, they played 4 days 72 games Efren won 37 games and Billy won 35 only two game difference

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Old 06-10-2019, 06:20 AM
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congratsto efren
he still has the magic.
i have an early flight today so i didnt stay up to watch till the very end
at around 7-3 there were a few games where efren had several chances to win the game but couldnt make his game ball and billy stole/won those
making it closer and gaining momentum (imho)
but it seems efren the champion he is righted the ship and prevailed.
KUDOS TO RAY FOR AN EXCELLENT STREAM
KUDOS TO JEREMY FOR HIS COMMENTARY
KUDOS TO TERRY FOR THE CREATIVE POSTERS/REMINDERS OF THE EVENT/AND UPDATES
thanks guys
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:21 AM
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i hope AtLarge from azb doesnt mind if i post these stats to show how close this match was
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Here are some stats from the Efren Reyes vs. Billy Thorpe One-Pocket match played June 6-9, 2019 at Arena Billiards in West Monroe, Louisiana. Pay-per-view live streaming was provided by PoolActionTV.

This match was a best of 5 races to 10 games, with one race to 10 scheduled for each day. Reyes won the 1st, 3rd, and 4th races to win the match three sets to one. The commentators were Jeremy Jones and Ray Hansen.

Conditions -- The conditions for this match included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with blue Simonis 860 cloth;
- Aramith Tournament balls with a measles cue ball;
- triangle rack;
- Rack your own with alternating breaks;
- re-break if a ball is made on the break;
- cue ball fouls only;
- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (did not happen);
- no shot clock, and
- lag for opening break each day (Reyes won the lag on Days 2 and 4, Thorpe on Days 1 and 3).

■ Match results, in games
Set 1 -- 10-8 Reyes
Set 2 -- 7-10
Set 3 -- 10-9
Set 4 -- 10-8
Total -- 37-35

■ Games won by breaker
Reyes -- 18 of 36 (50%)
Thorpe -- 17 of 36 (47%)
Total -- 35 of 72 (49%)

■ Breaks by side of table -- 71 of the 72 breaks were from the breaker's right side of the table. The exception was by Thorpe in Set 4; he lost that game and went back to his right side thereafter.

■ Games won by player who scored the first point (or had it scored for him)
Reyes -- 26 of 39 (67%)
Thorpe -- 22 of 33 (67%)
Total -- 48 of 72 (67%)

■ Scratches on the break -- 2, both by Thorpe. He won one of those games and lost the other.

■ Balls made on the break -- 1, by Reyes, causing a re-break.

■ Games in which the player had the lead at some point
Reyes -- 59 games, his 37 wins plus 22 games he lost.
Thorpe -- 56 games, his 35 wins plus 21 games he lost.

■ Ball counts by length of run -- The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls. Counts are given for Reyes first, then Thorpe, then the total.
1 ball -- 65 times, 72 times, 137 times
2 balls -- 35, 28, 63
3 balls -- 15, 13, 28
4 balls -- 13, 17, 30
5 balls -- 7, 11, 18
6 balls -- 6, 4, 10
7 balls -- 8, 2, 10
8 balls -- 6, 5, 11
9 balls -- 1, 0, 1
Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 34, 20, 54
Minus fouls -- 56, 38, 94
TOTAL ball count -- 394, 350, 744
Average game score -- 8 - 2.3

■ Distribution of run-outs to win the games. Counts are given for Reyes first, then Thorpe, then the total.
1 ball -- 16 times, 15 times, 31 times (43% of the 72 games)
2 balls -- 6, 4, 10
3 balls -- 2, 4, 6
4 balls -- 0, 1, 1
5 balls -- 1, 2, 3
6 balls -- 2, 2, 4
7 balls -- 5, 2, 7
8+ balls -- 5, 5, 10 (14%)
Average (mean) "out" run -- 3.4 balls
Average (median) "out" run -- 2 balls

■ Distribution of lengths of games
1-10 minutes -- 12 games
11-20 minutes -- 27
21-30 minutes -- 19
31-60 minutes -- 13
61+ minutes -- 1
Total -- 72

■ Match length (including racking and timeouts) -- 26 hours, 35 minutes

■ Average minutes per game -- 22.2
[Note: Sets 1, 2, and 4 averaged about 5 hours apiece (19 min./game). Set 3 went 9 hours, or 30 min./game.]
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Old 06-10-2019, 07:23 AM
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Now I'm ready for a Brumback/Thorpe ''bank match''....and that $50 check from the crabb man. He got me the last time.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:22 AM
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i hope AtLarge from azb doesnt mind if i post these stats to show how close this match was
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Here are some stats from the Efren Reyes vs. Billy Thorpe One-Pocket match played June 6-9, 2019 at Arena Billiards in West Monroe, Louisiana. Pay-per-view live streaming was provided by PoolActionTV.
...
■ Games won by breaker
Reyes -- 18 of 36 (50%)
Thorpe -- 17 of 36 (47%)
Total -- 35 of 72 (49%)
...

■ Distribution of lengths of games
1-10 minutes -- 12 games
11-20 minutes -- 27
21-30 minutes -- 19
31-60 minutes -- 13
61+ minutes -- 1
Total -- 72
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Great stats, Larry. Looks like the pros have pretty much nullified the standard expectation that the breaker has a roughly 2/3rds chance of winning. In this particular contest, it was only 49%, which could now be closer to the standard among top players.

I suspect that in the longer games, the break amounted to no advantage at all, and that may be the case between any top players. I note in this case that 46% of the games went 21 to 60 minutes, with one exceeding an hour.

I didn't take the opportunity to see any of the match, but outside of the youth vs. young turk aspect, it was a peculiar match up. I'd rather see Reyes vs. JJ, or Reyes vs. Daulton; or even Reyes vs. Gentile. Thorpe is a great pool player, and his one-pocket game will improve, especially if he keeps playing great movers. But if Thorpe can't beat Efren during Efren's twilight competitive years, then he can't beat any of the top guys.

IMO Thorpe vs. Smith, Frost, Roberts, J. Hall, etc. would be good matchups.

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Old 06-10-2019, 12:25 PM
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One Pocket is the only game where a man that can bank balls is never out of it. Just ask Bugs Rucker RIP.
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:29 PM
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Great stats, Larry. Looks like the pros have pretty much nullified the standard expectation that the breaker has a roughly 2/3rds chance of winning. In this particular contest, it was only 49%, which could now be closer to the standard among top players.

I suspect that in the longer games, the break amounted to no advantage at all, and that may be the case between any top players. I note in this case that 46% of the games went 21 to 60 minutes, with one exceeding an hour.

I didn't take the opportunity to see any of the match, but outside of the youth vs. young turk aspect, it was a peculiar match up. I'd rather see Reyes vs. JJ, or Reyes vs. Daulton; or even Reyes vs. Gentile. Thorpe is a great pool player, and his one-pocket game will improve, especially if he keeps playing great movers. But if Thorpe can't beat Efren during Efren's twilight competitive years, then he can't beat any of the top guys.

IMO Thorpe vs. Smith, Frost, Roberts, J. Hall, etc. would be good matchups.

~Doc
You being in the business like me am interested in one stat and that is how much does the performer actually get at the end of the night.
It is said that 2 room owners put up the $10K a man. So winner gets how much percentage of that. How much does the loser get from the winner as go home money. Do the players get transpo and rooms set up for them? Or does it come out of their pocket. Do they get part of the stream revenue. How much goes to their traveling partners.
Young guys like Thorpe get the exposure and rep. So he becomes an attraction at future events. He can use that to propel his career. Get backers and supporters. So he is in a win win situation.
Money is all relative. When you hear a star making a million it is deceptive.
10% goes to his agent. 15% goes to his manager. 5% goes to his publicist. 30% goes to Uncle Sam. Another 5% goes to his assistants, trainer, accountant, etc. You walk away with 35%. This is why a lot go broke. They spend like they got millions when theyre really not.
Im interested in someone like a road warrior like Efren and how they manage.
It started off as a $20K match but how much is the player walking away with?
Just a food for thought.
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