DCC One Pocket for 2009

Greg Sullivan just said that it's just about a done-deal that the next DCC will be held at >>> http://www.harrahs.com/casinos/caesars-indiana/casino-misc/hotel-overview.html

One Pocket Ghost said:

Greg Sullivan just said that it's just about a done-deal that the next DCC will be held at >>> http://www.harrahs.com/casinos/caesars-indiana/casino-misc/hotel-overview.html

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Great news! I'm reserving my room as soon as Greg gives us the OK and exact dates. I suggested, if Greg had to re-locate, he might consider calling it the "Diamond Champion's Classic" (same initials, DCC) or "Diamond Cuesports Classic". Whatever, Greg deserves name brand recognition for all his outstanding contributions to pool.

Dick

Caesar's looks like a great venue, but it also looks like a long haul from the Louisville airport...

Doc

Sweet

Sweet

Always did like Harrah's.

First met the institution in 1960 when it was a one or two storey whistle stop in State Line, Nevada whilst visiting a chum for the summer. If we were really quick we could run in, put a nickle or quarter in a slot machine and , if we only had to await two cherries (which seemed to pay faster than anything else even though all reels had to lock to complete the event) , MAYBE we beat security to the door with the cash (all of two units!). All in all I daresay the odds were far and away AGAINST (what ....3:1 on the slot and 4:1 on beating security on the FIRST try and 8 or 10:1 thereafter) my buddy and I turning a profit at the venture, and so it was back to picking up pop bottles for the deposit at 2 cents a whack. Ever try to find the 'cents' key on a computer keyboard? If so you would also know what Beard was speaking of in finding ball compression characteristics by using something called 'carbon paper'.


What a romantic road story, huh. I do not have a million of them.

I guess the big question is will the same "atmosphere" be in this new venue as before? The really nice thing about DCC was the proximity of the action rooms to the tournament so you were never far away when your match came up.

I'll miss the stroll down the hallway with the vendors all around even if we had seen the same booths and stuff for many years. I hope we can still get the AZ room and that we will still be close enough to a door to stick your head out for a cigarette.

Deeman said:

I guess the big question is will the same "atmosphere" be in this new venue as before? The really nice thing about DCC was the proximity of the action rooms to the tournament so you were never far away when your match came up.

I'll miss the stroll down the hallway with the vendors all around even if we had seen the same booths and stuff for many years. I hope we can still get the AZ room and that we will still be close enough to a door to stick your head out for a cigarette.

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Greg is definitely committed to the action angle of his tournament. It is a priority for him. He told me they will have more 9' tables in 2009 than they had at the West, and vendor space on site as well.

Def be a change, but hopefully still work!!

He is talking about separating the amateur and bartable events (that have run at the Exec East and Clarion the last couple of years) into a new DCC like event geared toward the smaller tables, maybe in September. As opposed to the "new" 9' oriented DCC in January.

He's even talking about some Banks and One Pocket on those smaller tables, which could be interesting!!

NH Steve said:

He's even talking about some Banks and One Pocket on those smaller tables, which could be interesting!!

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Steve, I gotta disagree with you here.....Banks and One Pocket on bar tables doesn't sound interesting to me - sounds like a joke, and One Pocket on the bar table would even be sacriligeous !

- Old School Ghost

Been meaning to try it...

Been meaning to try it...

OPG, Greg contacted me to ask me to try one-hole on a 7' smart table, using 11 balls. He said some guys like it, and he wanted to know what I thought of it. I think they're contemplating some leagues or something, and want feed back from 1P players.

Anyway, I haven't tried it yet. Although my curiosity is piqued, every time I'm at the poolroom it's difficult to pry myself off the 9-footer to try 1P on a toy table.

If you try it, let me know what you think.

Doc

Merging bar and big table players

Merging bar and big table players

Talked to Greg yesterday for about a half hour. He's committed to bringing bar players and big table players together with open bank and 1pkt tourns. on HIS bar table. Keep in mind his 7 footer plays just like a big table but only a smaller size. I suggested 1pkt might be ok if they only used 11 balls. Bar table bank pool is a legitimate game for sure. He also wants to expand the Onepocket HOF to include Action 9 ballers from both categories, full size and bar tables. This gives players like Dave Matlock and Keith and Jimmy Reid, etc a chance at recognition.

the Beard

gulfportdoc said:

OPG, Greg contacted me to ask me to try one-hole on a 7' smart table, using 11 balls. He said some guys like it, and he wanted to know what I thought of it. I think they're contemplating some leagues or something, and want feed back from 1P players.

Anyway, I haven't tried it yet. Although my curiosity is piqued, every time I'm at the poolroom it's difficult to pry myself off the 9-footer to try 1P on a toy table.

If you try it, let me know what you think.

Doc

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I admit the 7' Smart tables are nice but have not tried 1P on them. Maybe the 11 balls would help, I am not sure, but wil try it if I run across any short Smart tables in Southern Alabama! Not much chance. As long as all the long tables stay in the same place at DCC I'll get used to the rest.

DeeMan

Deeman said:

I admit the 7' Smart tables are nice but have not tried 1P on them. Maybe the 11 balls would help, I am not sure, but wil try it if I run across any short Smart tables in Southern Alabama! Not much chance. As long as all the long tables stay in the same place at DCC I'll get used to the rest.

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Deeman, I don't know where you are in S. Ala., but if you ever get through Gulfport, there are two 7' Smart tables at Skeeter's. I haven't tried them yet myself, as above...

Doc

Deeman said:

I admit the 7' Smart tables are nice but have not tried 1P on them. Maybe the 11 balls would help, I am not sure, but wil try it if I run across any short Smart tables in Southern Alabama! Not much chance. As long as all the long tables stay in the same place at DCC I'll get used to the rest.

DeeMan

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There is really no need to make an awkward rack with 11 balls. Just use the normal 10 ball rack and first player to get 5 balls wins (no ties). Thats how we used to play on a 6x12 snooker table. Those could be long drawn out safety dominated games. However on a bar table they can become very fast games, almost as fast as 9 or 10 ball. Obviously we all prefer a 9 footer and the tradional format, but I've matched up a lot of one pocket on bar tables over the years, and it is good, fast, exciting action. Very little margin for error, and a lot of 5 and outs. I say give it a chance. The best mover will usually dominate, but in short sets, it can be a real crap shoot between two highly skilled players. Another big difference in the first to 5 format is there will never be less than 2 balls on the table, even if you both need only 1 ball. It calls for a different mindset, but hey, it's still one pocket, and it's still fun, just a hell of a lot faster action. You do have the problem of ball count, as almost all bar tables are coin operated, which means you need to stuff a bar rag in the two main pockets. (you can catch errant balls made in other pockets) This requires an understanding bar owner who may (or may not) let you play on time.


Dick

PS I agree with the Ghost, it's not pure one pocket, the game we all love (and prefer) but it just might open up the game to a whole generation of player's in small towns, where they may never have even seen a 9' table.

Eleven ball rack

Eleven ball rack

SJ Dick. The eleven ball rack is not all difficult. Just rack 'em like normal ten ball and then add one more ball to the middle of the back end of the racked balls. It fits perfectly and doesnt affect the break. If you break the balls wide open however, its much easier to make a ball on the break than it is in normal ten ball. That's just an aside for those who dont like ten ball because of the difficulty of the break.

the Beard

Dick Mc Morran said:

There is really no need to make an awkward rack with 11 balls. Just use the normal 10 ball rack and first player to get 5 balls wins (no ties). Thats how we used to play on a 6x12 snooker table. Those could be long drawn out safety dominated games. However on a bar table they can become very fast games, almost as fast as 9 or 10 ball. Obviously we all prefer a 9 footer and the tradional format, but I've matched up a lot of one pocket on bar tables over the years, and it is good, fast, exciting action. Very little margin for error, and a lot of 5 and outs. I say give it a chance. The best mover will usually dominate, but in short sets, it can be a real crap shoot between two highly skilled players. Another big difference in the first to 5 format is there will never be less than 2 balls on the table, even if you both need only 1 ball. It calls for a different mindset, but hey, it's still one pocket, and it's still fun, just a hell of a lot faster action. You do have the problem of ball count, as almost all bar tables are coin operated, which means you need to stuff a bar rag in the two main pockets. (you can catch errant balls made in other pockets) This requires an understanding bar owner who may (or may not) let you play on time.PS I agree with the Ghost, it's not pure one pocket, the game we all love (and prefer) but it just might open up the game to a whole generation of player's in small towns, where they may never have even seen a 9' table.

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Good points, Dick. If only 10 balls are used, that would leave 5 "extras" for mistakenly pocketed balls. I'm sure this is also a problem for bank pool on a barbox.

I'm not sure whether the 7' Smart tables use payment by rack, or by a 30 minute time packet. On the 9' Smart tables, I know the user pays so many coins for each 30 minute period, or so. If the 7-footers allow time rather than racks, then accidentally made balls would be no problem.

Doc

gulfportdoc said:

Good points, Dick. If only 10 balls are used, that would leave 5 "extras" for mistakenly pocketed balls. I'm sure this is also a problem for bank pool on a barbox.

I'm not sure whether the 7' Smart tables use payment by rack, or by a 30 minute time packet. On the 9' Smart tables, I know the user pays so many coins for each 30 minute period, or so. If the 7-footers allow time rather than racks, then accidentally made balls would be no problem.

Doc

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At Derby City this wouldn't be an issue because they open the tables. Same situation on the 9' and 7'. You guys have got to join us! I'm confident it will still be a blast although it is a new venue. Greg is committed to the whole action side of his events, so I would venture to say that if the action side isn't successful at this new venue, he'll be looking for a better long term home in 2010.

Come on, one pocket guys!

Come on, one pocket guys!

As Steve says, we would love to see more of you at Derby City. It is a blast and if you can't get enough one pocket action, railbirding and tournament play there, you ain't human. It would be great to play some of you after reading your posts and hearing your stories over the years.

Come on up, or down or over as the case may be.

DeeMan

NH Steve said:

At Derby City this wouldn't be an issue because they open the tables. Same situation on the 9' and 7'. You guys have got to join us! I'm confident it will still be a blast although it is a new venue. Greg is committed to the whole action side of his events, so I would venture to say that if the action side isn't successful at this new venue, he'll be looking for a better long term home in 2010.

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Steve, I realize that its a moot point at the DCC. I was refering to the rest of the country, all year long, if it happened to capture new player interest.

Dick

harrah's sounds great

harrah's sounds great

I have not been able to make it to Louisville but Vegas would be easier. Count me in if it happens.

clusterbuster said:

I have not been able to make it to Louisville but Vegas would be easier. Count me in if it happens.

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According to Greg Diamond, it's a 90% certainty that the 2009 DCC will be at Caesars in Elizabeth, Indiana.

Doc