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Old 12-05-2011, 03:26 AM
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Mike Sigel appears on the record books page as winner or runner-up seven times. I'm sorry Mike maybe you will get nominated next year.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:45 AM
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Mike Sigel appears on the record books page as winner or runner-up seven times. I'm sorry Mike maybe you will get nominated next year.
I think it's slightly a case of one pocket "players" not considering someone who focuses on games other than one pocket as deserving enough for nomination/induction. Of course, most people on this forum would much more dread matching up with someone who shoots aggressive shots accurately than someone who plays the game the right way. As often as not, sharpshooters seem to beat the one pocket specialists, especially in tournament formats.

What I fail to understand, though, is how Harold Worst! will beat out Ervolino, Clem, and Irish who specialized in one pocket their entire lives. From what I've heard, Worst was just a super talented pool player who found success in one pocket more or less as Sigel did -- by just being super talented. I guess some current old-timers just have nostalgia for the guy because he was a top player from when they were kids. It seems that nostalgia doesn't yet exist for Mike Sigel ...
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:04 AM
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I think it's slightly a case of one pocket "players" not considering someone who focuses on games other than one pocket as deserving enough for nomination/induction. Of course, most people on this forum would much more dread matching up with someone who shoots aggressive shots accurately than someone who plays the game the right way. As often as not, sharpshooters seem to beat the one pocket specialists, especially in tournament formats.

What I fail to understand, though, is how Harold Worst! will beat out Ervolino, Clem, and Irish who specialized in one pocket their entire lives. From what I've heard, Worst was just a super talented pool player who found success in one pocket more or less as Sigel did -- by just being super talented. I guess some current old-timers just have nostalgia for the guy because he was a top player from when they were kids. It seems that nostalgia doesn't yet exist for Mike Sigel ...
I agree 100%. I much prefer to see players nominated/elected who truly embrace/embraced the game of One Pocket -- who are/were ambassadors of this particular game. They don't only play it well as just another game that involved a cue ball and pockets that yes, they can win at because they are ungodly talented players. That is the impression I get from from Sigel, Worst and also Jim Rempe -- another player that won some One Pocket events. There is already a Hall of Fame for these great all around pool players, and all of those guys are already in it, so it's not like we need to feel that they have been neglected.

Buddy Hall, I see differently. After his 9-ball career he truly has embraced One Pocket -- you often hear him doing commentary for example. He has adopted the game as his own.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:18 AM
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Another way to think about the players is this -- were they a One Pocket player that inspired others to take up the game? That is, do you ever hear other younger generations of players talking about learning to love the game of One Pocket because they spent time around xxxx? You hear that about Ervolino all the time, but I can't say I have ever heard that with regards to One Pocket when it comes to Sigel, Rempe or Worst (granted, Worst was before my time).
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:27 AM
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wasnt efren a 15 ball rotation player???
has won the banks and 9 ball??
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:39 AM
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wasnt efren a 15 ball rotation player???
has won the banks and 9 ball??
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Big difference in the degree that Efren embraced One Pocket vs those other great all-around players. And talk about a player that inspires others to play the game... no contest.
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I think it's slightly a case of one pocket "players" not considering someone who focuses on games other than one pocket as deserving enough for nomination/induction. Of course, most people on this forum would much more dread matching up with someone who shoots aggressive shots accurately than someone who plays the game the right way. As often as not, sharpshooters seem to beat the one pocket specialists, especially in tournament formats.

What I fail to understand, though, is how Harold Worst! will beat out Ervolino, Clem, and Irish who specialized in one pocket their entire lives. From what I've heard, Worst was just a super talented pool player who found success in one pocket more or less as Sigel did -- by just being super talented. I guess some current old-timers just have nostalgia for the guy because he was a top player from when they were kids. It seems that nostalgia doesn't yet exist for Mike Sigel ...
I think Harold Worst was in just a little different type category. I was at Johnson City every year. Once Worst started playing one pocket he barred NOBODY from playing. That included Eddie Taylor and Ronnie Allen, both of whom ducked him, even after Worst would make nightly announcements that he would play anybody, anything but bank pool for whatever they wanted to bet. Plus he played many one pocket matches there. He gave Sonny Springer 8 to 6 and the break after being steered into that trap by Weenie Beanie. He was 6 games loser at $200 a game, realized he was in a death trap, raised it to $400 a game, ran 8 and out 3 games in a row, got even and quit.
The guy to ask about Harold Worst is Ronnie Allen. He has no problem deferring to the speed of Harold Worst.

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Old 12-05-2011, 09:38 AM
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I agree 100%. I much prefer to see players nominated/elected who truly embrace/embraced the game of One Pocket -- who are/were ambassadors of this particular game. They don't only play it well as just another game that involved a cue ball and pockets that yes, they can win at because they are ungodly talented players. That is the impression I get from from Sigel, Worst and also Jim Rempe -- another player that won some One Pocket events. There is already a Hall of Fame for these great all around pool players, and all of those guys are already in it, so it's not like we need to feel that they have been neglected.

Buddy Hall, I see differently. After his 9-ball career he truly has embraced One Pocket -- you often hear him doing commentary for example. He has adopted the game as his own.
Good points but I put Jimmy Fusco and Allen Hopkins, who were both superb 9 Ball and 14.1 players in the catgory with Rempe and Sigel and they were nominated and subsequently voted in...your thoughts.

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Old 12-05-2011, 10:40 AM
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Big difference in the degree that Efren embraced One Pocket vs those other great all-around players. And talk about a player that inspires others to play the game... no contest.
steve i agree with you
just trying to get some dicussion
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I'm not even "verified" but i'll chime in on the other side. I actually don't care how much a guy embraced the game. If he played some good one pocket (a requisite for winning), and he won "enough", he should be there -- whoever the player may be. Yet, that's not to say i wouldn't root for guys that did embrace the game of course.

Even though I would root for Sigel, the one funny thing I heard he said about one hole before his match with Ervelino on Accustats on I think the second to the last day of the tournament....

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