I believe you life time pool playing lifers should really take to heart that when I stated; that in my small town the players have been playing by these close ball foul criteria have several years, and we do not have any problems. If a player does not know the foul criteria they sure learn it fast, and they take pride in knowing it.
These small town players are mainly c & b players. They never been in a real pool hall, never been to a real tournament, never played for money, never seen a real pro. But yet know the foul criteria for these shots, and can call the foul correctly. They also know how to judge a close split hit when playing 8-ball.
This is pretty simple when shooting the cb towards a close ob:
when using below center the cb is not allowed to go past the contact point. This is basic physics 101, if the cb is spinning with draw then how can it legally go past the contact point, it can not, it is physically impossible unless illegally pushed past. Going half way through is amateurish, and of course a foul when playing by the correct high standard. Pretty darn simple to judge.
When using follow the cb must hesitate at the contact point before going forward. Why is this true; because when close to the ob the cb has no inertia and the weight of the ob makes the cb ball hesitate before going forward. Another way to put is that: the cb is not allowed to immediately follow at or near the same speed as the ob without first hesitating. Pretty darn simple to judge.
The same above foul criteria applies when using an elevated cue.
If stroking on an angle:
The cue ball is not allowed to immediately go forward through the tangent line. Based upon your skill level then the appropriate angle is what ever you think you need to not foul. You can not state a specific angle for then if an opponent feels you are not shooting on that angle they would then call a foul, whether or not your fouled, and not based upon the above foul criteria cue ball action.
And for you guys that say this is hard to judge at real speed, I say BS. If my town of b & c players can do it then you lifers can surely do it.
Plus Bob's Pool Quiz is at real speed, and they can be judged.
If this double hit foul criteria is instilled then our players will be playing with the correct standard and at a higher standard than any other pool organization in the world. A very proud statement and moment in the history of pool. It will be historical. Would any member put forth an effort to deny that!
This one pool shot scenario is one of the most frequently happening shot in OP, and yet the most mis-understood maligned shot in all of pool, that has been butchered for decades by not clearly pronouncing what the correct foul criteria is, and now we finally are correcting a wrong, and this is not getting supported.
I suggest you naysayers lifers that could beat the pants off of any of my small town b & c players and have a 100 times more experience, should really suck it up, for they do not complain, but are proud for knowing the proper foul criteria, and play by it! Come play any player in my town, and if you sloppily push though the contact point on a close proximity shot, they will call you on it, guaranteed!
I hope this helps you guys to understand where we are coming from. thanks for the comments, Whitey