Tuesday July 28th 7pm central-Justin Bergman vs Danny Harriman-Full Rack Banks Old School Style 😲

Terry Hanna

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STARTS TODAY TUESDAY 7PM CENTRAL TIME!!!!!!

Presented by The Players Club in St. Louis, Missouri.

The Iceberg Justin Bergman vs The Springfield Kid Danny Harriman.

Old school style full rack bank pool match.

It's a race to 3 sets, 23 banks wins the set.

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Terry, you should also put this up on the main forum, for you will get a whole lot more views!

Full rack banks, that what we have been asking for. I am looking forward to this! thanks, Whitey
 
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The commentators in this match stated; " I do not think this is as exciting nor as interesting for the viewers as is short rack"!
I feel these players are not true purist bank pool players, it is not their forte. So full rack was not played as it should be.

A true bank pool player would have confidence in making the bank, very little difference than shooting balls straight in, thus they would not play safe continually, and instead of only play shape when they have an easy cross side bank, they would have the confidence to go for their banks more. You would not continually see slamming the ob and drawing all the way back to head cushion.

So with that I do not believe this is not the match to draw that conclusion.
I also hope we have more of these matches. The format, I would like to see a race to x-amount of balls over two or three days. Say to 125, or a race to x-amount of games won, say 25, with a fair amount in the middle.

But, in full rack, I believe to be a successful event and the game played as it should be, I then think it has to be between some of the very best bankers. Put Billy Thorpe up against a top banker. Respectfully, Whitey
 
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Interesting, when Danny was younger and in his prime, he was considered a bank specialist.
 

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I didn't watch so I didn't hear the commentators, but I think you've got it backwards. Full rack bank pool requires more safety play than does short rack; full rack games can easily last an hour or more while short rack games can be over in 3 minutes; full rack specialists will certainly play position when the situation allows, but are more likely to shoot and duck than in a short rack game where a player hopes to run balls and get out. My guess is that Danny Harriman has played thousands of full rack bank games in his career.

The commentators in this match stated; " I do not think this is as exciting nor as interesting for the viewers as is short rack"!
I feel these players are not true purist bank pool players, it is not their forte. So full rack was not played as it should be.

A true bank pool player would have confidence in making the bank, very little difference than shooting balls straight in, thus they would not play safe continually, and instead of only play shape when they have an easy cross side bank, they would have the confidence to go for their banks more. You would not continually see slamming the ob and drawing all the way back to head cushion.

So with that I do not believe this is not the match to draw that conclusion.
I also hope we have more of these matches. The format, I would like to see a race to x-amount of balls over two or three days. Say to 125, or a race to x-amount of games won, say 25, with a fair amount in the middle.

But, in full rack, I believe to be a successful event and the game played as it should be, I then think it has to be between some of the very best bankers. Put Billy Thorpe up against a top banker. Respectfully, Whitey
 

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I didn't watch so I didn't hear the commentators, but I think you've got it backwards. Full rack bank pool requires more safety play than does short rack; full rack games can easily last an hour or more while short rack games can be over in 3 minutes; full rack specialists will certainly play position when the situation allows, but are more likely to shoot and duck than in a short rack game where a player hopes to run balls and get out. My guess is that Danny Harriman has played thousands of full rack bank games in his career.
I'll back off of my statement somewhat. It just that the commentators statement rubbed me the wrong way. I know full rack banks, and there is a lot more strategy and safeties, and this makes it special. But it does not mean you do not go for the banks with only safety in mind.

I think a different format, and the players will open up and start banking. A race to 25 games or 125 pts.

short rack, I have a hard time watching most matches. For all so often the player is playing more of a safe than he is playing the bank, thus a miss, and a lot of the time even missing the whole pocket. If you are playing banks then play it with confidence. Whitey
 
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what is interesting to me about full rack is both the safety and the punishment for not playing safe. similar to one pocket a good player will make you regret not playing safe in full rack in ways that short rack doesn't do for me
 

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There was a time when players had to be good at banks, and that was when 9-ball was shoot out. As the knoxville Bear stated; you had to be good at banks for in playing 9-ball you would shoot out for a bank.
That has been lost, and I think it plays a big role in the quality of banking 'in general' of todays players. Also the mentality of making the bank is not there like it was. When you shoot out for a bank, you're making it, that is the mentality. Of course I am talking early 70's, I do not know after that.

Thank goodness for a OP insurgence, for banking skills are also coming back, even if it is into only in one pocket, and a lot of time it is at pocket speed. But you do have to learn your corner banks. JMHO! Whitey
 
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The commentators in this match stated; " I do not think this is as exciting nor as interesting for the viewers as is short rack"!
I feel these players are not true purist bank pool players, it is not their forte. So full rack was not played as it should be.

A true bank pool player would have confidence in making the bank, very little difference than shooting balls straight in, thus they would not play safe continually, and instead of only play shape when they have an easy cross side bank, they would have the confidence to go for their banks more. You would not continually see slamming the ob and drawing all the way back to head cushion.

So with that I do not believe this is not the match to draw that conclusion.
I also hope we have more of these matches. The format, I would like to see a race to x-amount of balls over two or three days. Say to 125, or a race to x-amount of games won, say 25, with a fair amount in the middle.

But, in full rack, I believe to be a successful event and the game played as it should be, I then think it has to be between some of the very best bankers. Put Billy Thorpe up against a top banker. Respectfully, Whitey
I have talked to Billy and he said he won’t play full rack as he never played a full rack game in his life and has only played short rack. I have a hard time believing this but that’s what he told me when I asked him about matching up with some weight obviously.
 

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I have talked to Billy and he said he won’t play full rack as he never played a full rack game in his life and has only played short rack. I have a hard time believing this but that’s what he told me when I asked him about matching up with some weight obviously.
thanks for your reply
 

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There was a time when players had to be good at banks, and that was when 9-ball was shoot out. As the knoxville Bear stated; you had to be good at banks for in playing 9-ball you would shoot out for a bank.
That has been lost, and I think it plays a big role in the quality of banking 'in general' of todays players. Also the mentality of making the bank is not there like it was. When you shoot out for a bank, you're making it, that is the mentality. Of course I am talking early 70's, I do not know after that.

Thank goodness for a OP insurgence, for banking skills are also coming back, even if it is into only in one pocket, and a lot of time it is at pocket speed. But you do have to learn your corner banks. JMHO! Whitey
Whitey, as you know, back in the day they played on much softer equipment and you could see eight and out from top players In full rack. While we did not get to see much full rack banks here in CA, from the little I watched in the 60’s/70’s, the players were pretty aggressive. I got see see Cannonball ( Johnny Chapman ) from Chicago a couple times and believe me, there were eight and outs. Of course there were safety first players too and the first thing they did was clog up the banking lanes and slow up the game. I saw Freddy The Beard play a couple of the good black players in LA and he was slow.

You might not see it unless a top player was playing another top player because there was a lot of stalling going around then too. I did get to see Bugs play some one pocket, which was impressive, but not banks.
 

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Interesting, when Danny was younger and in his prime, he was considered a bank specialist.
That is 100% correct Dave - as shown by the fact that he was the Derby City bank pool champion about 15 years ago...I didn't watch this recent match, but if a commentator said Danny wasn't a bank pool player, he doesn't know what he's talking about....bank pool and straight pool were always Danny's best games, and his favorite games.
 

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That is 100% correct Dave - as shown by the fact that he was the Derby City bank pool champion about 15 years ago...I didn't watch this recent match, but if a commentator said Danny wasn't a bank pool player, he doesn't know what he's talking about....bank pool and straight pool were always Danny's best games, and his favorite games.
You're right about Harriman. And when you think about it straight pool and bank pool are odd bedfellows, since straight pool players almost never go for a bank shot.
 

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JRhendy, understands my point of view, when he states players of 60's & 70's 'were aggressive'. In playing shoot out 9-ball you played to make the shoot out, never a thought of playing safe, never happened. Players were shooters. Same with banks, you shoot to make the bank, and not thinking bank/safe. How can you make a bank if on your mind you are going to sell out if you miss, and how much harder is it to bank plus play safe at the same time.

But the 'mentality of being a shooter is gone'. 9-ball was a shooters game and banks was a big part of it, well that is all gone now! I never ever seen the money ball missed, it never happened, once you obtained a certain level of play. That is because the players were shooters, that is what they did.

This match was by design to be between players of Missouri, but who could we get to play Bergman. Danny's name came up, so there you are. It was probably short notice. Was Danny in bank stroke, it appeared he was getting his bank stroke going as the match went on, but by that time it was to late.
There was a fair amount of wedge, I say in at least 3 games, and I believe the commentators felt this plus other aspects of full rack made them feel it was not that exciting nor appealing for viewers as short rack. After two sets the scores was 46/29. The final score I believe in ball count was 69/46.

Danny was in striking range to capture a set, but of course everything has to go right when you are behind, and also you have to put together a 5 or more plus run. Whitey
 

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Bergman Harriman Highlights


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Thanks for putting this video clip together and posting it!
 
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