Fast Lenny
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12-6 or 10-5 from another player as a spot, lets say someone who is a top one pocket player?
Fast Lenny said:12-6 or 10-5 from another player as a spot, lets say someone who is a top one pocket player?
SJDinPHX said:Lenny,
My little babe in the woods...take the 10-5. The less balls you have to go to, the better for YOU. (it doesn't matter if Scott, Mitch or Bernie....go to 20 balls) Would you play them 30 to 15 ????... I think not.
San...<---professional knocker..
PS...Call me re; Mosconi Cup in Vegas...will you chaffeur ?..we can split a room...Sat, Sun only.
Dick, I would agree 100% and that is why I am posting this. I played Scott Saturday and the spot was 12-6, Bret Huth a higher rated played who gives me 7-6 in the tourney was getting 10-5 from Scott, did not make sense to me at all as 12-6 to me is tougher. If a player like Frost gives has to go 2 more to your 1 then that does not mean very much and favors him for sure. When I spoke to Ronn I think it was about it he said that Scott can run 10's all day but running 12 will most likely not happen too often.SJDinPHX said:Lenny,
My little babe in the woods...take the 10-5. The less balls you have to go to, the better for YOU. (it doesn't matter if Scott, Mitch or Bernie....go to 20 balls) Would you play them 30 to 15 ????... I think not.
San...<---professional knocker..
PS...Call me re; Mosconi Cup in Vegas...will you chaffeur ?..we can split a room...Sat, Sun only.
beatle said:not really lenny. 2 balls at the end of the game are harder to make than 2 balls in the beginning. so when you play longer you more likely will both make one ball at a time. then getting two to one in balls is huge. alot depends on how you play the game adjusting to the spot. if you just play a normal game as if your opponent is equal than it is correct for the smaller # to go to as your breaks become stronger in value.
beatle said:not really lenny. 2 balls at the end of the game are harder to make than 2 balls in the beginning. so when you play longer you more likely will both make one ball at a time. then getting two to one in balls is huge. alot depends on how you play the game adjusting to the spot. if you just play a normal game as if your opponent is equal than it is correct for the smaller # to go to as your breaks become stronger in value.
beatle said:yes it is tougher but that is referring to a spot of say 9 to 6 as to 10 to 7. here it is still one ball each so the difference the ratio is changed. but in the original thing of 12 to 6 versus 10 to 5 the ratio is the same. so the play of the game determines if one is better than the other.
a certain way of playing like i mentioned can drastically change which game is better for either side.
as an example which would you rather give to someone that banks well and is good at getting the balls up table if you are a superior ball runner. certainly the 10 to 5 as you can end the game sooner. but the other player would want 12 to 6 as when the balls are up table you are not a two to one ball favorite on each ball made.
To me I think that certain styles make matches. If a player like Lenny has to go to 5 or 6 shouldn't matter to him 1 ball doesn't make a difference. If you have the firepower to run balls it shouldn't make a difference. Make the stronger player 2 balls more to your one..IMHObeatle said:yes it is tougher but that is referring to a spot of say 9 to 6 as to 10 to 7. here it is still one ball each so the difference the ratio is changed. but in the original thing of 12 to 6 versus 10 to 5 the ratio is the same. so the play of the game determines if one is better than the other.
a certain way of playing like i mentioned can drastically change which game is better for either side.
as an example which would you rather give to someone that banks well and is good at getting the balls up table if you are a superior ball runner. certainly the 10 to 5 as you can end the game sooner. but the other player would want 12 to 6 as when the balls are up table you are not a two to one ball favorite on each ball made.
carscotty said:To me I think that certain styles make matches. If a player like Lenny has to go to 5 or 6 shouldn't matter to him 1 ball doesn't make a difference. If you have the firepower to run balls it shouldn't make a difference. Make the stronger player 2 balls more to your one..IMHO
I might be wrong, plus in my town I don't have alot to learn from, but I was letting Lenny know what I would do in his shoes. Not what everyone in general would do. I've never played anyone or gave anyone such a huge spot If I need to give someone 12-6 or 10-5 I'm going to rob them know matter what, if I need that much weight then I'm going to get robbed! So yes you're right I do need to learn! I'm trying. NOT BROKE YETSJDinPHX said:Scotty, for your own sake...you had better learn you are dead wrong ! IMHO
carscotty said:1 ball doesn't make a difference.
NH Steve said:The chart we have here on OnePocket.org is simply mathematically calculated. What I am hearing here is that maybe we should revise it, to put a little extra "weight" on the lower of the two numbers instead of equally weighing the higher number, because it is the adjustment to the lower number that makes the biggest difference -- the score that the weaker player goes to.
androd said:Steve, I haven't looked at your chart, but from 5 to 6 for a weaker player is enormous, and to 7 is off the chart.
Rod.
Skin said:Rod, I hadn't thought about what you guys here are saying about that extra ball (from 5 to 6), but it makes a lot of sense. Might keep me from trapoping myself (which I am very good at, by the way) sometime in the future.
Skin