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  • How important to freeze CB to rail on break?

    I’ve always thought it’s important to break with inside spin to leave the CB on or near the side rail, limiting opponent’s ability to control his return shot. But the pros don’t seem to care much about that, usually leaving the CB off the rail by as much as a foot or more, often with no sidespin at all.

    Is accuracy/reliability on the break shot that sensitive to spin, even for pros? Is leaving the CB on/near the rail not that important? What’s the tradeoff here?

    pj
    chgo

  • #2
    Originally posted by Patrick Johnson View Post
    I’ve always thought it’s important to break with inside spin to leave the CB on or near the side rail, limiting opponent’s ability to control his return shot. But the pros don’t seem to care much about that, usually leaving the CB off the rail by as much as a foot or more, often with no sidespin at all.

    Is accuracy/reliability on the break shot that sensitive to spin, even for pros? Is leaving the CB on/near the rail not that important? What’s the tradeoff here?

    pj
    chgo
    PJ,

    I believe that when you have the break, that is the most important shot of the game. I used to break with some inside spin, but I had difficulty with accuracy and would sometimes miss the head ball and end up giving my opponent several balls, or even scratching.

    A couple of years ago I experimented with breaking w/o any discernible english. I discovered that I could be a lot more accurate, almost never failing to get the head ball, and once I grooved the proper speed for the CB, I could achieve a very effective break, moving several balls into my quadrant and again almost never selling out the corner ball, and almost never scratching.

    It does have value if you can leave the CB on the rail, but sacrificing accuracy to do so is not worth it and is unnecessary.

    Try it.

    Last edited by darmoose; 10-27-2019, 12:20 PM. Reason: error
    The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by darmoose View Post
      PJ,

      I believe that when you have the break, that is the most important shot of the game. I used to break with some inside spin, but I had difficulty with accuracy and would sometimes miss the head ball and end up giving my opponent several balls, or even scratching.

      A couple of years ago I experimented with breaking w/o any discernible english. I discovered that I could be a lot more accurate, almost never failing to get the head ball, and once I grooved the proper speed for the CB, I could achieve a very effective break, moving several balls into my quadrant and again almost never selling out the corner ball, and almost never scratching.

      It does have value if you can leave the CB on the rail, but sacrificing accuracy to do so is not worth it and is unnecessary.

      Try it.

      Well said, podnah.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by darmoose View Post
        PJ,

        I believe that when you have the break, that is the most important shot of the game. I used to break with some inside spin, but I had difficulty with accuracy and would sometimes miss the head ball and end up giving my opponent several balls, or even scratching.

        A couple of years ago I experimented with breaking w/o any discernible english. I discovered that I could be a lot more accurate, almost never failing to get the head ball, and once I grooved the proper speed for the CB, I could achieve a very effective break, moving several balls into my quadrant and again almost never selling out the corner ball, and almost never scratching.

        It does have value if you can leave the CB on the rail, but sacrificing accuracy to do so is not worth it and is unnecessary.

        Try it.

        ^ I also agree with this.
        jrhendy: Ghost does come up with shots that others don't see.

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        • #5
          Interesting. I have always used sidespin. I'm thinking I might screw up the first few times trying it without, but am willing to give it a try to see if it increases my accuracy!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sheldon View Post
            Interesting. I have always used sidespin. I'm thinking I might screw up the first few times trying it without, but am willing to give it a try to see if it increases my accuracy!
            Love to hear your results, Sheldon.

            Make sure you get a piece of the head ball. I shoot from the side rail, about 2" off the rail, that's aggressive, to move the balls to your quadrant. As for speed, you wanna end up around the second diamond, and will be 8" to 12" off the side rail.

            Good luck
            The early bird may get the worm...but the second mouse gets the cheese...Shutin@urholeisOVERATED.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by darmoose View Post
              It does have value if you can leave the CB on the rail, but sacrificing accuracy to do so is not worth it and is unnecessary.
              Originally posted by LSJohn View Post
              Well said, podnah.
              Originally posted by One Pocket Ghost View Post
              I also agree with this.
              Looks like it's time to give this a try...

              Thanks, guys.

              pj
              chgo

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              • #8
                with rack your own you can get it pretty close.
                use lots of spin it helps. you can hit them harder with more spin. the closer to the rail the less effective his return shot will be and that is the most important shot of the game after the break.

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                • #9
                  patrick
                  think about it
                  would you rather have your opponent shooting from a full cue ball or the top half
                  just askin

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                  • #10
                    its a coincidence
                    but bill smith when talking about artie and the old timers they ALWAYS left the cue ball 2-2 1/2 diamonds above the corner FROZEN to the rail
                    just sayin
                    he also mentioned the old timers placing the cue ball closer to the side rail as now

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                    • #11
                      break from as close to the side rail as you can
                      put as much spin as you can
                      2 & 1/4 diamonds as close as you can
                      on the rail frozen if you can

                      modify for different tables, balls, and opponents.

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                      • #12
                        The upside of sticking rock to side rail for me is more about how hard I can hit them for results and not leaking out corner ball to his side. The only upside to not being tight to the side rail is the greater coverage of your corner by the stack and the ability of sliding of a ball behind soldiers.
                        Regards,

                        Nick B

                        Name: Nick Beretanos
                        Location: Vancouver BC

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lll View Post
                          patrick
                          think about it
                          would you rather have your opponent shooting from a full cue ball or the top half
                          just askin
                          That's what I said in my OP.

                          The question is why don't all pros see it that way?

                          pj
                          chgo

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by beatle View Post
                            break from as close to the side rail as you can
                            put as much spin as you can
                            2 & 1/4 diamonds as close as you can
                            on the rail frozen if you can

                            modify for different tables, balls, and opponents.
                            Sounds like me...

                            pj
                            chgo

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                            • #15
                              I agree with accuracy but for those times that the balls open funny and leave a bank I like having the ball frozen on the rail alot more than out in the open wher they can do whatever they please with the cue ball

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