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    i was watching alittle of the us open 9 ball....(forgive me ....)
    and kept hearing mention of efrens win in ahill hill battle over darren appleton
    on a "fluke" 9 ball
    well punter on azb posted a link to the shot thanks for the link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSe6t...ature=youtu.be

    what do you think was efrens intentions on the shot???
    i know its not one pocket.....
    but its efren...

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    Efren

    Originally posted by lll View Post
    i was watching alittle of the us open 9 ball....(forgive me ....)
    and kept hearing mention of efrens win in ahill hill battle over darren appleton
    on a "fluke" 9 ball
    well punter on azb posted a link to the shot thanks for the link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSe6t...ature=youtu.be

    what do you think was efrens intentions on the shot???
    i know its not one pocket.....
    but its efren...
    Looks like he was trying to ride the nine and make it in the same pocket he lucked it in at.

    He is playing great and running pretty good too. He should have gotten beat two or three times in our tournament in Sacramento. People dog it against him when he doesn't win on the square. He is still great for pool.
    JOHN HENDERSON
    Al Romero Cue
    Magic Chalk

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    • #3
      People do dog it against him. If there was real money in pool, people would be motivated to train hard enough, both mentality and physically, to probably play much better against him. Can't really take anything away from him though.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lll View Post
        i was watching alittle of the us open 9 ball....(forgive me ....)
        and kept hearing mention of efrens win in ahill hill battle over darren appleton
        on a "fluke" 9 ball
        well punter on azb posted a link to the shot thanks for the link
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSe6t...ature=youtu.be

        what do you think was efrens intentions on the shot???
        i know its not one pocket.....
        but its efren...

        Trying to get the cue down table behind the six, seven, eight, leaving the four on the other end, is what I thought at the time. But John is probably right.
        "Born Into This"

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        • #5
          Based on Efren's motion around the table prior to the kick, he was looking to send the CB up behind the wall of balls (he walked up there to see how it looked & if he could see the 5B should he make the 4B..two-way) and kick-bank the 4B into the lower-right pocket (he laid his cue on the rail where he expected the 4B to hit it).

          His kick-bank went a little long, but the CB went right where he wanted. The rest is history.

          I do not think he was trying to kick under the 4B to ride the 9B into the side. We all know that is asking for a scratch in the lower-left.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mosconiac View Post
            Based on Efren's motion around the table prior to the kick, he was looking to send the CB up behind the wall of balls (he walked up there to see how it looked & if he could see the 5B should he make the 4B..two-way) and kick-bank the 4B into the lower-right pocket (he laid his cue on the rail where he expected the 4B to hit it).

            His kick-bank went a little long, but the CB went right where he wanted. The rest is history.

            I do not think he was trying to kick under the 4B to ride the 9B into the side. We all know that is asking for a scratch in the lower-left.
            After watching it again, I agree with you and he did get it safe.
            JOHN HENDERSON
            Al Romero Cue
            Magic Chalk

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mosconiac View Post
              Based on Efren's motion around the table prior to the kick, he was looking to send the CB up behind the wall of balls (he walked up there to see how it looked & if he could see the 5B should he make the 4B..two-way) and kick-bank the 4B into the lower-right pocket (he laid his cue on the rail where he expected the 4B to hit it).

              His kick-bank went a little long, but the CB went right where he wanted. The rest is history.

              I do not think he was trying to kick under the 4B to ride the 9B into the side. We all know that is asking for a scratch in the lower-left.

              I also agree that Reyes played both the 5ball bank and the cue ball. Reyes kicks so well that he's entitled to a little luck. Like I have always said...luck is the residue of skill...

              Dr. Bill

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              • #8
                Efren was asked about this shot last night at HT Bellflower.

                As best as I could understand him-his shot priorities were: 1) sending cb downtable, hopefully behind that wall of blockers...2) the hit on the 4, creating that downtable cb, would leave the 4 moving back and forth uptable....3)he got 'lucky', but accomplished #1.(said with an impish grin and giggle)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3RAILKICK View Post
                  Efren was asked about this shot last night at HT Bellflower.

                  As best as I could understand him-his shot priorities were: 1) sending cb downtable, hopefully behind that wall of blockers...2) the hit on the 4, creating that downtable cb, would leave the 4 moving back and forth uptable....3)he got 'lucky', but accomplished #1.(said with an impish grin and giggle)

                  thats efren.................

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                  • #10
                    Good thread, that was some shot. More magic from Efren on the big stage, in a big match, score tied hill-hill. Just amazing. Very interesting about what Efren had to say. Pretty much what I thought. His first goal was to get safe if he made nothing, and if he made the four he was on the five. Thanks Efren, for some more magic!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wincardona View Post
                      I also agree that Reyes played both the 5ball bank and the cue ball. Reyes kicks so well that he's entitled to a little luck. Like I have always said...luck is the residue of skill...

                      Dr. Bill
                      My bad, I said he was playing the 5ball bank, I mistook the 4ball for the 5ball. Anyways, striking the 4ball to double bank it will send the cue ball up table, and possibly behind the wall of balls at the top end. He could of played lucky and double banked the 4ball and would then be a favorite to end up with a shot on the 5ball. Then he could of struck the 9ball with the 4ball and played distance with the cue ball...with blockers..He also could of made the 9ball he did make the 9ball. As well as he kicks...believe it or not...he was a favorite in the position he shot from. Too many times have I seen him pull off these kind of shots when kicking, there's no one better then "The Magician" kicking balls. And I can hear him now, when asked what he shot, and why. "I got luckeee"

                      Dr. Bill

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                      • #12
                        The big thing i noticed about that kick there, and maybe his skill is too refind for this, but if you kick it where he did/wanted to, it can go flying straight in that pocket to his right real easy too, the 4 i mean. and as mentioned i do think he played to have a chance to be on that 5. he shoots very heady shots as we all know.

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                        • #13
                          What I do not understand about how Efren shoots is that long looping bridge -- how the heck does he control the exactness of hit on the cue ball to get exactly the english he wants? When I am trying to really control my english (like banking) then I have to choke up on my stroke. Yet he swoops in on a hard kick like this and gets just the english he wants
                          "One Pocket, it's an epidemic and there ain't no cure."
                          -- Strawberry Brooks

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NH Steve View Post
                            What I do not understand about how Efren shoots is that long looping bridge -- how the heck does he control the exactness of hit on the cue ball to get exactly the english he wants? When I am trying to really control my english (like banking) then I have to choke up on my stroke. Yet he swoops in on a hard kick like this and gets just the english he wants
                            Roger Griffis was once having problems with his game, and I heard a rumor that efren when trying to give him advice to find his game again told him to lengthen his bridge. I really wont bore people, I could probably write 10 pages on this subject i thought about it so much when i hit a wall a long time ago. Let me know if you want to hear a diseased pool players mind splurged out and i'll pm you if you are interested.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NH Steve View Post
                              What I do not understand about how Efren shoots is that long looping bridge -- how the heck does he control the exactness of hit on the cue ball to get exactly the english he wants? When I am trying to really control my english (like banking) then I have to choke up on my stroke. Yet he swoops in on a hard kick like this and gets just the english he wants
                              I've often wondered about that myself. And except for the fact that Reyes was (is) a prodigy, there are others who do the same thing, e.g. the other Filipinos. But look at Earl-- same thing.

                              Of course the long bridgers all came up playing rotation games, which didn't require much close-in play. Contrast that with the old 14.1 players who most all used little 7-8" bridges. They were continually used to working in close-- rarely above the foot half of the table.

                              But to see those gaping long bridges in one-pocket always amazes me.

                              Doc

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