Lotsapoppa vs. Mataya L.O.P. III 1992 #3

[Cowboy Dennis]

Game 2 still. It's Mataya's shot from here. What would you do?

 

[Frank Almanza]

If the six is not in the way. This is what I like.

 

[lll]

frank dennis cant fool you
i like that shot too
especially since its not a shot off the 5 like dennis was trying to steer us into thinking
(you wouldnt think he would do such a thing would you? )
icbw

 

[androd]

I would imagine that JM would shot the 5 ball. Seeing Frank and Larrys shot was probably not in the cards for him.
Rod.
PS, A very good shot BTW

 

[timdog24]

I like Frank's shot, but if that's not available I would bank the 5 with high left into the stack. The cue ball should end up near the side pocket. There might be a kiss on this shot though.

 

[lll]

^^^ i looked at that shot but i wasnt sure if i could get the q high enough for the stack to be a blocker

 

[androd]

I like Frank's shot, but if that's not available I would bank the 5 with high left into the stack. The cue ball should end up near the side pocket. There might be a kiss on this shot though.

^^^ i looked at that shot but i wasnt sure if i could get the q high enough for the stack to be a blocker

I shoot a lot of these. A lot of outside spin with middle ball will take the CB up about 2 or 3 diamonds, but maybe off the rail a little.
Rod.
PS, No kiss, but loose grip is important.

 

[One Pocket Ghost]

Sorry, I don't do the green-arrow thing - I'll make do with the wei-table to display my shot...

If I didn't shoot Frank's shot, or if it wasn't available...I'd definitely be shooting this shot - and with this shot, I'd be getting my sure-snooker behind the 1ball and the stack >>>

- Gho$t

PS, Both shots have a similar result, but I prefer my shot to the shot that Rod just posted up, because I believe it's it's a more natural angle, and easier/safer to execute.



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[lll]

I shoot a lot of these. A lot of outside spin with middle ball will take the CB up about 2 or 3 diamonds, but maybe off the rail a little.
Rod.
PS, No kiss, but loose grip is important.

rod the grip thing is important

 

[androd]

- Gho$t

PS, Both shots have a similar result, but I prefer my shot to the shot that Rod just posted up, because I believe it's it's a more natural angle, and easier/safer to execute.

It was just an example. In the photo their seemed room for the shot, but not in your Wii layout. I looked at the shot you posted and if I shot it I would try to draw into the 1 ball. I might get lucky and end in the stack and the 5 ball might spray the balls around a little.
Rod.

 

[timdog24]

Sorry, I don't do the green-arrow thing - I'll make do with the wei-table to display my shot...

If I didn't shoot Frank's shot, or if it wasn't available...I'd definitely be shooting this shot - and with this shot, I'd be getting my sure-snooker behind the 1ball and the stack >>>

- Gho$t

PS, Both shots have a similar result, but I prefer my shot to the shot that Rod just posted up, because I believe it's it's a more natural angle, and easier/safer to execute.



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I like this shot too. But, only if there is a definite kiss on the shot Rod posted. I don't see how you can sell out banking the 5 one rail into the stack with a lot of outside. Imo, you will also get more action off the stack this way.

 

[One Pocket Ghost]

Rod & Tim....They're all good shots, but let me give you more of my thinking on this, and why I prefer my version of shooting the 5ball...

You both spoke about "getting more action out of the stack"...but I see that as doing more than you have to do here...my reasoning that I am sharing here is an - 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it" line of thinking...in other words...the three balls in front of your pocket are laying spread out, dead-nuts perfect - you don't need more balls over there - what if you "get action out of the stack" and you leave a window, or a couple of those "action balls" tie up the balls by your pocket?...or you lose the cueball a little bit and sell out the 1ball?...

So for me, the all-important thing is getting a snooker/hiding those perfect three balls that are in front of my pocket - and the shot I posted is the easiest and most secure way of achieving that.

- Ghost

 

[wincardona]

I shoot a lot of these. A lot of outside spin with middle ball will take the CB up about 2 or 3 diamonds, but maybe off the rail a little.
Rod.
PS, No kiss, but loose grip is important.

I also like this shot, no kiss, no risk, good action, just controll the cue ball and look for good things to happen.

Billy I.

 

[cuesmith]

I shoot a lot of these. A lot of outside spin with middle ball will take the CB up about 2 or 3 diamonds, but maybe off the rail a little.
Rod.
PS, No kiss, but loose grip is important.

I agree with androd. It was exactly what I thought as soon as I looked at it! Don't know why anyone would consider anything else!

Sherm

 

[One Pocket Ghost]

I agree with androd. It was exactly what I thought as soon as I looked at it! Don't know why anyone would consider anything else!
Sherm

Lemme help you out - read post #12, and then you'll know why

- Gho$t

 

[Frank Almanza]

Lemme help you out - read post #12, and then you'll know why

- Gho$t

Gho$t, I'm with you on this one. If I'm going to play the five into the stack, I doing it with just enough speed to get it there and no more. Why disturb the stack and maybe help them out of the trap.

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

Rod & Tim....They're all good shots, but let me give you more of my thinking on this, and why I prefer my version of shooting the 5ball...

You both spoke about "getting more action out of the stack"...but I see that as doing more than you have to do here...my reasoning that I am sharing here is an - 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it" line of thinking...in other words...the three balls in front of your pocket are laying spread out, dead-nuts perfect - you don't need more balls over there - what if you "get action out of the stack" and you leave a window, or a couple of those "action balls" tie up the balls by your pocket?...or you lose the cueball a little bit and sell out the 1ball?...

So for me, the all-important thing is getting a snooker/hiding those perfect three balls that are in front of my pocket - and the shot I posted is the easiest and most secure way of achieving that.

- Ghost

Generally speaking I agree with the Ghost and his line of thinking on this layout. Take the certainty over the possibility and protect the balls by your pocket. The only problem I see with that in this layout is there's no great way to play a lock-up safety. I think the 6 blocks you from hitting the 1 and I think the 5 is too far off the rail to play the shot that Ghooaassty showed in his WEI layout. By default, the bank on the 5 into the stack may just win out here.

P.S. Larry, I've said before that you can't infer anything by the pic I post. Sometimes it's the only good overhead of the layout as they ofttimes switch to that camera shot just before the player pulls the trigger .

That is what Mataya did and he made the 8 off the 7:



Here's how he left it, he did play the cueball safe.



He could easily have hit the 10 going in and sold out a shot like this: