Artie.. setting the record straight..

[wincardona]

Just thought that I would post this in a new thread to make sure it got the attention from our group.


Originally Posted by Cowboy Dennis
I don't know much about it and I don't pretend to, but from what I've read, he did it a little different. He'd use his own money, 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands to move the line himself. Then when it moved to where he thought it couldn't go higher he'd bet the other way, sometimes up to $1,000,000. He'd occasionally win the "middle" but that was not his main target. He didn't just skulk around weak casinos and find differring lines and bet the middle, he moved the lines himself, with his own money, according to this article on the "Computer Group":



By and large, though, there was little humor in their work. On a Saturday of college basketball they might bet 60 games, which required that they be aware of every injury, casualty and rumor surrounding all 120 teams. They had to chart the movement of the point spreads in various sports books for each game. They had to find the weakest lines, and they had to make and keep track of their wagers by the hundreds. They worked almost every day from September through March. Some days they would start at 6 a.m. and finish at midnight. Always Walters felt obliged to protect the Computer's information from the public, because these numbers were as valuable to him personally as they were to the group. His employees never even heard mention of the name Ivan Mindlin. The voice delivering the daily betting orders was known only as "Doc" or "Cowboy," and Billy Walters would say nothing more to identify him.



Occasionally, however, it paid to be careless. On a Wednesday afternoon, ever so casually, Billy Walters might tell Glen Walker to make a call over to the old Gary Austin Sports Book on the strip. "We want to lay $30,000 on Wisconsin giving 3 to Purdue," Billy Walters would tell him.



Walters knew that several wise guys would be passing time near the counter at Gary Austin's. And they would notice that the line favoring Wisconsin over Purdue would rise to 3 1/2 points. And they would ask who was responsible for moving the line, and they would be told the truth: That $30,000 had just been laid by the computer. And then..



The wise guys would bet on Wisconsin themselves. These wise guys would whisper to other wise guys. Tout services would hear that the computer liked Wisconsin. A run would begin on Wisconsin. News of Wisconsin would spread nationally. By the time word reached the man in Louisiana or the woman in Illinois, there would be no mention of the Computer Group. They would simply be told that they had better get something down on Wisconsin. You can see now that the betting market in Las Vegas is no different than Wall Street. Fed by rumor, speculation and greed, a stock like Wisconsin can grow hot for no substantial reason.



By Thursday or Friday, Wisconsin might be inflated to a 5-point favorite, 5 1/2 in some markets. At this point Billy Walters believed the price could rise no higher, and so he would marshal his forces: "Open order on Purdue taking 5!" In moments, they would be on their speed-dial phones, reaching every available source nationwide, betting as much as they could wherever Purdue was a 5-point underdog. They were a frantic yet focused group inside the "C&B Collection Agency," attempting to flood all the markets simultaneously, before the point spread could drop. Into one phone they would shout a few words and then hang up while dialing another number on another phone, back and forth, until they were frazzled. In two minutes Walters alone could place bets through a dozen beards or bookies.



So: On Wednesday they'd bet against Purdue. to lower its value in the market. Now on Friday they were buying as much Purdue as they could, a grand total of $1 million or more. And wouldn't you know it: Sometimes Wisconsin would beat Purdue by 4 and the Computer Group would win the "middle" — bets on both teams paying off in the same game.


Your interpretation on how Walters moved is spot on, but there were other things that he did as well. I was involved with Walters when he first moved to Las Vegas in the 80's, he didn't have any money and convinced my good friend Chip Reese to bank roll him betting the computer generated games. I went to work with Billy and Chip and was an asset to the way they bet Las Vegas. I personally innovated the two way radio as a strategic way of betting Las Vegas, before then big betters and movers were transmitting their orders with pagers. Artie can verify what i'm saying as the truth. I worked with Billy for 4 years, went to his home regularly, went to the UNLV games with him and quite frankly learned a lot from him. When you walked into his home you would see a large painting of a tiger located in his living room, signifying the mans character, and he was as fierce as a tiger with the way his business would be run. I would do 10 things perfectly and would screw up once and you would of thought by listening to him that I was on the hot seat to be canned.

My good friend Chip Reese passed and I traveled to Las Vegas to attend the funeral at the funeral I bumped into Billy Walters and we talked about the 80's I spent most of my life living in Las Vegas and experienced things there that you only read in books or see at the movies, and yes it's all real. I have stories about the biggest gamblers, best card players, notorious mobsters, and how the city progressed from the 60's through the 90's. I actually saw Las Vegas grow and now i'm watching it fall (from a distance) and it saddens me to see this great city melting away.

Artie didn't do the things that Walters did, but it was related. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in Las Vegas, he basically used other peoples money to bet on games and at times bet his own when he liked a side. He bet for Walters, and other big betters like The Poker Players in base ball season and The Kosher Kids in basket ball, plus many other huge betters. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in the history of Las Vegas.

Every thing I wrote is as real as the computer in front of you, and this you can take to the bank.

Trust me, i'm a realist

Billy I.

 

[vapros]

C'mon, doctor. You're starting to read like AB Middler, telling us of all the great stuff you could tell us if you really wanted to. You got stories, pal? Send a few along to the rest of us. We are ready to be entertained. They're not all secrets, are they?

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

C'mon, doctor. You're starting to read like AB Middler, telling us of all the great stuff you could tell us if you really wanted to. You got stories, pal? Send a few along to the rest of us. We are ready to be entertained. They're not all secrets, are they?

How do I get my case back into court?

 

[SJDinPHX]

How do I get my case back into court?

From what I have googled, Walter's indictments were all local..(Nevada Supreme Court)...Much easier to buy a fix, which it appears he did...Whereas yours was a Federal indictment, in which you pled guilty, and agreed to let them take the 1.1 million, for a reduced prison sentence.

I can still feel empathy for you, because maybe your attorney did not represent your case to the Fed's properly, and maybe should not have advised you to plead guilty ?

Would like to hear your take on that, Artie...I am pulling for you, but I can imagine its going to be awfully hard, to overturn a ten year old conviction ?

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Just thought that I would post this in a new thread to make sure it got the attention from our group.


Originally Posted by Cowboy Dennis
I don't know much about it and I don't pretend to, but from what I've read, he did it a little different. He'd use his own money, 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands to move the line himself. Then when it moved to where he thought it couldn't go higher he'd bet the other way, sometimes up to $1,000,000. He'd occasionally win the "middle" but that was not his main target. He didn't just skulk around weak casinos and find differring lines and bet the middle, he moved the lines himself, with his own money, according to this article on the "Computer Group":



By and large, though, there was little humor in their work. On a Saturday of college basketball they might bet 60 games, which required that they be aware of every injury, casualty and rumor surrounding all 120 teams. They had to chart the movement of the point spreads in various sports books for each game. They had to find the weakest lines, and they had to make and keep track of their wagers by the hundreds. They worked almost every day from September through March. Some days they would start at 6 a.m. and finish at midnight. Always Walters felt obliged to protect the Computer's information from the public, because these numbers were as valuable to him personally as they were to the group. His employees never even heard mention of the name Ivan Mindlin. The voice delivering the daily betting orders was known only as "Doc" or "Cowboy," and Billy Walters would say nothing more to identify him.



Occasionally, however, it paid to be careless. On a Wednesday afternoon, ever so casually, Billy Walters might tell Glen Walker to make a call over to the old Gary Austin Sports Book on the strip. "We want to lay $30,000 on Wisconsin giving 3 to Purdue," Billy Walters would tell him.



Walters knew that several wise guys would be passing time near the counter at Gary Austin's. And they would notice that the line favoring Wisconsin over Purdue would rise to 3 1/2 points. And they would ask who was responsible for moving the line, and they would be told the truth: That $30,000 had just been laid by the computer. And then..



The wise guys would bet on Wisconsin themselves. These wise guys would whisper to other wise guys. Tout services would hear that the computer liked Wisconsin. A run would begin on Wisconsin. News of Wisconsin would spread nationally. By the time word reached the man in Louisiana or the woman in Illinois, there would be no mention of the Computer Group. They would simply be told that they had better get something down on Wisconsin. You can see now that the betting market in Las Vegas is no different than Wall Street. Fed by rumor, speculation and greed, a stock like Wisconsin can grow hot for no substantial reason.



By Thursday or Friday, Wisconsin might be inflated to a 5-point favorite, 5 1/2 in some markets. At this point Billy Walters believed the price could rise no higher, and so he would marshal his forces: "Open order on Purdue taking 5!" In moments, they would be on their speed-dial phones, reaching every available source nationwide, betting as much as they could wherever Purdue was a 5-point underdog. They were a frantic yet focused group inside the "C&B Collection Agency," attempting to flood all the markets simultaneously, before the point spread could drop. Into one phone they would shout a few words and then hang up while dialing another number on another phone, back and forth, until they were frazzled. In two minutes Walters alone could place bets through a dozen beards or bookies.



So: On Wednesday they'd bet against Purdue. to lower its value in the market. Now on Friday they were buying as much Purdue as they could, a grand total of $1 million or more. And wouldn't you know it: Sometimes Wisconsin would beat Purdue by 4 and the Computer Group would win the "middle" — bets on both teams paying off in the same game.


Your interpretation on how Walters moved is spot on, but there were other things that he did as well. I was involved with Walters when he first moved to Las Vegas in the 80's, he didn't have any money and convinced my good friend Chip Reese to bank roll him betting the computer generated games. I went to work with Billy and Chip and was an asset to the way they bet Las Vegas. I personally innovated the two way radio as a strategic way of betting Las Vegas, before then big betters and movers were transmitting their orders with pagers. Artie can verify what i'm saying as the truth. I worked with Billy for 4 years, went to his home regularly, went to the UNLV games with him and quite frankly learned a lot from him. When you walked into his home you would see a large painting of a tiger located in his living room, signifying the mans character, and he was as fierce as a tiger with the way his business would be run. I would do 10 things perfectly and would screw up once and you would of thought by listening to him that I was on the hot seat to be canned.

My good friend Chip Reese passed and I traveled to Las Vegas to attend the funeral at the funeral I bumped into Billy Walters and we talked about the 80's I spent most of my life living in Las Vegas and experienced things there that you only read in books or see at the movies, and yes it's all real. I have stories about the biggest gamblers, best card players, notorious mobsters, and how the city progressed from the 60's through the 90's. I actually saw Las Vegas grow and now i'm watching it fall (from a distance) and it saddens me to see this great city melting away.

Artie didn't do the things that Walters did, but it was related. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in Las Vegas, he basically used other peoples money to bet on games and at times bet his own when he liked a side. He bet for Walters, and other big betters like The Poker Players in base ball season and The Kosher Kids in basket ball, plus many other huge betters. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in the history of Las Vegas.

Every thing I wrote is as real as the computer in front of you, and this you can take to the bank.

Trust me, i'm a realist

Billy I.

I will just say two things. I was the biggest in life and nobody not even Billy Walters wae close.

Number two I never moved for Billy Walters. And thier are reasons. Why I didnt move for him. But Billy Incardone knowes a lot about Las Vegas. And like I said in other posts Billy

I was around the best and sharpest gamblers. And I regard his friend Chip reese as number one in pocker.

And his other Friend Stewie is right thier with chip. And playing gen rummy. I would take stuie aghainst anyone in the world.

And out off Chip Doyle Biily Walers. And whoever you can name. Stewie Unger had more gamble then any ove them. But Chip Reese was the class off them all.

And he was the most faierer off them all too. 100% class. And as far as gambling Billy Incardona was in the same league.

He loves too bet. Thats his whole life. If you would take that away from him. He might not be able too live.

Billy is no lock smith even thow some people imply it. Billy will bet his money and always has. And he does not pick certain games or his spot. And people who bet all the time dont have time to pick thier spot too bet on. Because they need action and will bet on anything.

But Las Vegas has sharp betters. Even though NYork thought they had the sharpest gamblers. But they found out different.

You can do a lot off things in life if you dont get locket up doing one thing.

But Billy I doesnt make up stories. He tells it like it is. ABmiddler

 

[SJDinPHX]

I will just say two things. I was the biggest in life and nobody not even Billy Walters wae close.

Number two I never moved for Billy Walters. And thier are reasons. Why I didnt move for him. But Billy Incardone knowes a lot about Las Vegas. And like I said in other posts Billy

I was around the best and sharpest gamblers. And I regard his friend Chip reese as number one in pocker.

And his other Friend Stewie is right thier with chip. And playing gen rummy. I would take stuie aghainst anyone in the world.

And out off Chip Doyle Biily Walers. And whoever you can name. Stewie Unger had more gamble then any ove them. But Chip Reese was the class off them all.

And he was the most faierer off them all too. 100% class. And as far as gambling Billy Incardona was in the same league.

He loves too bet. Thats his whole life. If you would take that away from him. He might not be able too live.

Billy is no lock smith even thow some people imply it. Billy will bet his money and always has. And he does not pick certain games or his spot. And people who bet all the time dont have time to pick thier spot too bet on. Because they need action and will bet on anything.

But Las Vegas has sharp betters. Even though NYork thought they had the sharpest gamblers. But they found out different.

You can do a lot off things in life if you dont get locket up doing one thing.

But Billy I doesnt make up stories. He tells it like it is. ABmiddler

Artie...plese see post # 4

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

From what I have googled, Walter's indictments were all local..(Nevada Supreme Court)...Much easier to buy a fix, which it appears he did...Whereas yours was a Federal indictment, in which you pled guilty, and agreed to let them take the 1.1 million, for a reduced prison sentence.

I can still feel empathy for you, because maybe your attorney did not represent your case to the Fed's properly, and maybe should not have advised you to plead guilty ?

Would like to hear your take on that, Artie...I am pulling for you, but isn't it going to be awfully hard to overturn a ten year old conviction ?

Why was Billys Cases never Federal. Why didnt mt att move my case too a state case. They have the gaming commision.

We had the same att. Was thier conflicte off interest? Was I the sacrafice for Billy. Thats what some people have told me. And Billy wanted me out off the way so he could controle the betting market. Witch he was only second too me. Because I had a better set up. And I was more organized. And had more outs.

Billy was the happest man in las vegas the day I quite and he could control everything.

I even ended up going to tafft prison in CAl. For 6 months. Were I started out in the whole and I ended up catching TB. And my plea agreement was 3 months in camp at Nellies and three months in the half way house. THat agreement was broken.

And my attorney did nothing to stop it. He was not on my side. And I went along with what he said. It all stinks.

I was going up against the money power and conections. All I had was myself. But thier was a motive too get me out off the way.

The started investigating me in 1998 the Goverment made the messanger betting law the same year. They came after me with no charges. Just saying it was only a investigation.

THe gameing commision new me for 20 years the new who I was and what I did. And Every time they stoped one off my runners they gave back his money and radio. And they new everything about me.

Why was the law made and who started it and got it passet thats the person who wanted me out off the way. Not too meny people can do that and bring up a law and get it paset.

If I new who sarted it thats the person who knowes the answer or who wanted me out off the way.

I no its not the goverment or the casinos. Its someone with power and money.

Who got that law started.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Why was Billys Cases never Federal. Why didnt mt att move my case too a state case. They have the gaming commision.

We had the same att. Was thier conflicte off interest? Was I the sacrafice for Billy. Thats what some people have told me. And Billy wanted me out off the way so he could controle the betting market. Witch he was only second too me. Because I had a better set up. And I was more organized. And had more outs.

Billy was the happest man in las vegas the day I quite and he could control everything.

I even ended up going to tafft prison in CAl. For 6 months. Were I started out in the whole and I ended up catching TB. And my plea agreement was 3 months in camp at Nellies and three months in the half way house. THat agreement was broken.

And my attorney did nothing to stop it. He was not on my side. And I went along with what he said. It all stinks.

I was going up against the money power and conections. All I had was myself. But thier was a motive too get me out off the way.

The started investigating me in 1998 the Goverment made the messanger betting law the same year. They came after me with no charges. Just saying it was only a investigation.

THe gameing commision new me for 20 years the new who I was and what I did. And Every time they stoped one off my runners they gave back his money and radio. And they new everything about me.

Why was the law made and who started it and got it passet thats the person who wanted me out off the way. Not too meny people can do that and bring up a law and get it paset.

If I new who sarted it thats the person who knowes the answer or who wanted me out off the way.

I no its not the goverment or the casinos. Its someone with power and money.

Who got that law started.

From my experiences, lawyers trade cases like baseball cards with the DAs and judges. The system sucks so just stay out of it if you can. I walk the line now and realize if I do not that its really gambling when your in the system.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

From my experiences, lawyers trade cases like baseball cards with the DAs and judges. The system sucks so just stay out of it if you can. I walk the line now and realize if I do not that its really gambling when your in the system.

Johnny Cash walked the line. But this stage off my life I dont have any goals left and whatever happines I cant control any way. And Its important too the world and I feel that the people should no the truth.

I havant felt wright about what happened since it happened. And I always wanted to fight my case. Because in my heart I no I did not comit a crime.

And I got talked into not fighting my case. And my lawyer didnt want too fight my case. What do we have in life? If we dont have peace off mind. When my journey ends I want too be like my friend Frank and be able too say.

I can still look into the mirror and see myself. I am very poor with grammer and english. But I am very good at figureing things out. And who knowes maybe someone will come up with the aswers I am looking for. Strange things can happen in life.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Johnny Cash walked the line. But this stage off my life I dont have any goals left and whatever happines I cant control any way. And Its important too the world and I feel that the people should no the truth.

I havant felt wright about what happened since it happened. And I always wanted to fight my case. Because in my heart I no I did not comit a crime.

And I got talked into not fighting my case. And my lawyer didnt want too fight my case. What do we have in life? If we dont have peace off mind. When my journey ends I want too be like my friend Frank and be able too say.

I can still look into the mirror and see myself. I am very poor with grammer and english. But I am very good at figureing things out. And who knowes maybe someone will come up with the aswers I am looking for. Strange things can happen in life.

I hope you do clear your name, I myself have a mark against me that I should not have. I weighed the odds and realized that I was gambling with my future, I could go all the way with the system and lose some of my life. I find the justice system in our country to be absolutely sickening, we have around 2.5 million people locked up. The system is a big money maker for sure and very crooked, usually money can get you out of most jams unless they want to make an example of you. Good luck Artie.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

I hope you do clear your name, I myself have a mark against me that I should not have. I weighed the odds and realized that I was gambling with my future, I could go all the way with the system and lose some of my life. I find the justice system in our country to be absolutely sickening, we have around 2.5 million people locked up. The system is a big money maker for sure and very crooked, usually money can get you out of most jams unless they want to make an example of you. Good luck Artie.

We cant gamble with our lives. Because everyone knowes it comes too an end. The thing I have learned in life is not all the events we have gone through but how we feel about ourselves. If we feel good about ourselves we have acomplished what our pourpose on earth is.

And whatever happines we can handle it. And every new day will bring something new and different. I dont worry about anything. Because I dont even no why I am her. And whatever we say and do will get washt away in time. Like the leaves on a tree.

 

[Fast Lenny]

We cant gamble with our lives. Because everyone knowes it comes too an end. The thing I have learned in life is not all the events we have gone through but how we feel about ourselves. If we feel good about ourselves we have acomplished what our pourpose on earth is.

And whatever happines we can handle it. And every new day will bring something new and different. I dont worry about anything. Because I dont even no why I am her. And whatever we say and do will get washt away in time. Like the leaves on a tree.

Well put Artie, the big picture is much larger then what we see before us and our little hobbies and interest. I have a question for you Artie, do you dream?

 

[Deeman]

Johnny Cash walked the line. But this stage off my life I dont have any goals left and whatever happines I cant control any way. And Its important too the world and I feel that the people should no the truth.

I havant felt wright about what happened since it happened. And I always wanted to fight my case. Because in my heart I no I did not comit a crime.

And I got talked into not fighting my case. And my lawyer didnt want too fight my case. What do we have in life? If we dont have peace off mind. When my journey ends I want too be like my friend Frank and be able too say.

I can still look into the mirror and see myself. I am very poor with grammer and english. But I am very good at figureing things out. And who knowes maybe someone will come up with the aswers I am looking for. Strange things can happen in life.

Artie,

I am only vaguely familiar with your situation but from what I have heard, if you had done all you had done on Wall Street you would probably be bailed out and getting a big bonus this year!

DeeMan

 

[stevelomako]

Johnny Cash walked the line. But this stage off my life I dont have any goals left and whatever happines I cant control any way. And Its important too the world and I feel that the people should no the truth.

I havant felt wright about what happened since it happened. And I always wanted to fight my case. Because in my heart I no I did not comit a crime.

And I got talked into not fighting my case. And my lawyer didnt want too fight my case. What do we have in life? If we dont have peace off mind. When my journey ends I want too be like my friend Frank and be able too say.

I can still look into the mirror and see myself. I am very poor with grammer and english. But I am very good at figureing things out. And who knowes maybe someone will come up with the aswers I am looking for. Strange things can happen in life.

I've noticed thru life that the ones that want someone out of the way are the people that are doing.....the same thing.

They are generally close in one way or another to the person getting the shaft.


I don't think you'd have to look too far Artie.


P.S. Carla Johnson took Ronnie Harmlins' case all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

He was a house man at the Rack. He got caught as a mule, kept his mouth shut and was convicted under Michigans "mandatory life with-out parole" drug law.

She got that overturned and Ronnie was able to be a free man for 6 months before he died of a heart attack.

She might be interested in yours Artie.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

I've noticed thru life that the ones that want someone out of the way are the people that are doing.....the same thing.

They are generally close in one way or another to the person getting the shaft.


I don't think you'd have to look too far Artie.


P.S. Carla Johnson took Ronnie Harmlins' case all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

He was a house man at the Rack. He got caught as a mule, kept his mouth shut and was convicted under Michigans "mandatory life with-out parole" drug law.

She got that overturned and Ronnie was able to be a free man for 6 months before he died of a heart attack.

She might be interested in yours Artie.

I seen her at the cue club about 8 years ago. I am not sure off the date. But she was very nice and we talked about pool.

I didnt no she liked pool that much. And she said she remembered me from Detroite. But time goes by so fast.

And when you are playing a lot off pool you meet so many people its hard too remember them all.

I rember when I played Cletis and Al Sherman told Allen HIll to give me the money too play and allen was asking me all kinds off qouistions. And All told allen just give him the fan money.

He knowes more about pool then any one. And he gave me enough for 3 games. And I played Cletis and won 3 games. And Freddy jumped in the game and told Cletis he would play him the same game.

And I didnt say anything because I new Freddy was part off the click and he didnt no me. So Freddy Played and Clites beat Freddy for a good score.

The game looked easy too Freddy because the way I played it. But the game was not that easy.

I played Cletis he gave me 8 to 4 and I had too shoot every shot with the rubber but off the cue. Witch is very hard.

And I dont think I have seen anyone play that game. Since Freddy and me played Cletis that way.

And Al Asked me what happened and I told him what happened. And he said dont worry that wont ever happen again. He said he will talk to Freddt and tell him that I am with him.

But When you go into a strange pool room itsalways good too no whats going on. And who is who. If you start a argumeny all you do is kill your action and get knocket.

Doing the wright thing is very important. Who too play and who not too play. When too win and when too loose. Its all part off being a winner. KNoweing when too play is on top off the list.

And most players just want too play. They dont care who they play. But thats a big mistake.

But Carla loves pool by the way shee talked. I think she wanted too play me. But I never felte wright about playing women and taking thier money. I even ran into Lora Shampoo when I was in Las Vegas. And She asked me if she could Hustle with me.

And I asked her what she was doing her by herself. And she said she just had too get away.I didnt feel comftrable hustling with her. So I told her were thier were some pool spots and bars. That she could go and when some moey.

And If I play she can bet on me. Or I will give her a peace off the action. And I asked her if she needed any money. And she said no she had money. But It didnt make sense hir being in las vegas by herself. It didnt make sense too me.

Something was going on and I didnt want too get involved. So I gave it a pass. And I new Freddy was close with her. So out off respect. I would help her but I would not get involed. And she had a lot off heart. And everyone respected that in her. Doing the wright thing in life has always helped me out.

But we will see what happines. But this is one thing I would like too complete before my journey is over. And I no more then anyone what went on in the casinos sports books.

The whole town would be shocket if they new what realy went on. And I would love too no who pusset that law and got it past. And Billy went on 60 minutes and said he called his associatesto make his bets. Will those associates were the same people that the goverment took my money for.

Those associates are runners.The can fool people who dont no whats what. But some people no whats going on. And how can he go on 60 minutes and say these people are betting for him. I guess thats why all off his cases were state cases. And mein was Federal.

And he did the same thing I did make a bunch off bets. And he would buy some bets back. And they never did nothing too him or his runners. Why. In reality thier is no crime in people making bets in las vegas no matter who the bets are for. They are all legele bets. And legele transactions. And gambling is legell in Las Vegas.

If its Elegele then why do all the casinos let all the runners bet. Knoweing who they are. When all they have too do is not let them bet. And that will be the end off the runners. The Casinos are in vialation off the law.

Just like the held John Gottie resposable for what happened not Samie Gravano. THe casinos have the liscense and the power to take or refusse thier bets.

Why did the Goverment not investigate the Casinos and hold them resposable. FOR LETTING THE RUNNERS BET.

And it was a statue made by the gamming commision to stop runners from betting .

Not because it was elegel but because they were scared the runners would beat yhem. Thats why they made it a mister meanor law.

And ever since the had sports books and sports betting in las vegas they never charged a runner and they never took a runners money.

And when the casinos called the gameing Commission when they would contain a runner tell they showed up.

As soon as they came they gave the runner back his radio and money.

And if they never did nothing for 50 years about not even one runner. Why did they make it a law?

And I was the only one they took they money and put me in jail. I was the only one in life. And they never did anything else too anybody.

The law is a elegle law. And they violated me with a elegele investigation. Knoweing the whole time who I was and what I did.

And on top off that they made they messanger law the same year they said they started investigating me. Id that a coincedence? Or was it all bre metitated and intrapment.

And the Casinos ere in it with me 100% in a conspierace. And my layer lied and said that the Casinos were not in it with me in a conspierace case.

And I said too my layer if the casinos were in it with me in a conspieracy case I will fight my case. And he said they were not in it with me in a conspieracy case.

Well if we are working together and I am getting all kinds off special deals and better prices and bigger amounts.

And way better numbers. And I get compte for rooms showes food. and safty deposit boxes.

And I get too play first. And we do buissness together. Would you call that a cospieracy. Doing buisness with them.

And they new me and everone off my runners. And they let the runners bet.

And they never charged me. If runners were elegele then why didnt they charge them And why didnt they do anything too the other peoples runners.

I guess the only get one drug dealer. And let the rest go. Is that the way it works. I dont think so. I was singled out and they made me the target and the example. Not because I was breacking the law. But because they wanted me out off the way.

And I have no criminale record at all. And all the FbI would ask is Artie back in buisnes? And my runner went too work with other people who learned what too do from me. And they never botherd them.

Who ever got this dione was no small time person. They had a lot off money Power and Juice. Just try to get a law passed it will take you 100 life tines or more.

I hope the answer and the people who are responsable. Will all come out. If the wright people investigate it they will find the answer. And I hope the will let it out.

If I get a jury trial. I am a trillion too one too win my case. Because I did not commite any crime.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Well put Artie, the big picture is much larger then what we see before us and our little hobbies and interest. I have a question for you Artie, do you dream?

Yes I dream . I had too dreams and goals. THey first one was too be the best pool hustler. And the second was to wi a million dollaers betting sports. And all I can tell you is its the greatest feeling in the world.

THe best dream I ever had was that I was dead being lifted up to heaven through the clouds.

I have never even come close to that dream. And I feelte like my whole body was free and thier was no pain or sadness.

Just being lifted out off my bed too heaven. And it feelte so good its hard too describe.

It was a power that was lifting me through air with no waite. No thoughts nothing. If feelte real and it was beautifull. I never floted in air being lifted too heaven.

Thier was joy and happines in my heart and mind. And I didnt think off anything. But my body being caried too heaven. And it feele so good I never ever felte close too anything like that in my whole life.

And I never wanted this feeling too end. And the whole time I felt and thought it was realy happining.

And I never had that feeling again. But I did not forget that night or the feeling.

And I belived it was real not a dream. Like I realy was in heaven and some howe I came back too earth.

I wish other people can get that feeling and dream. Its something that gave me faith and courage. Like it took fear out off my mind and it does not matter what happines. Because now I no were I am going . And thier is a better place then EARTH.

I never wanted that feeling too end. And belive me its in my mind forever. And when I dont feel real good I think about that momonte and it gives me strength and helps me with what ever is bothering me.

And nothing has no meaning too me but that momonte.

I would pay too get that feeling again. I dont no why it happened or how it happend. It just happened. It was like all my joy and happines all put together for one momonte.

But maybe its part off my insanite side off my mind. But the feeling and release it had. Was the place I would like too be forever. It was like I was dieing and being lifted up too heaven by some force. It was unblivebale.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Artie,

I am only vaguely familiar with your situation but from what I have heard, if you had done all you had done on Wall Street you would probably be bailed out and getting a big bonus this year!

DeeMan

Yes but I dont think that could be done because the pricesare all the same. And I have some stock stories you wouldnt belive.

I guess its got a lot too do with being with the wright people. But I belive thier are people who can win at the stock market.

THat realy no and follow the market. They worst thing you can do buying stocks is paying the juice too buy the stock. Its horrable and hard too over come. Her is what I can say. Too who ever wants too her it.

Remember these words. Never get a loan never pay juice on anything. And theow all the credit cards away. These are all things that will hurt you and make things worse for you.

Loans only rob people the keep you a sucker and keep having you pay juice with your hard earned money. Never buy on credit.

If you follow what I am saying and take all that money and get interest. You will be a millonare when you are ready too retire.

Can you do it I dont n0. Add it up for the year and see what it comes too. And you will see what I am saying is correct.Paying juice on everything makes life harder. And you have too work longer. And mite never get even.

But people get programed into doing it. And whats you get in the trap its hard too get out. But just for fun add up all the juice money you pat a year. Even if its a new car or stove anything you are paying juice on. It will eat away on you tell it gets so bad you cant pay it any omre. Its worse then cancer.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Yes I dream . I had too dreams and goals. THey first one was too be the best pool hustler. And the second was to wi a million dollaers betting sports. And all I can tell you is its the greatest feeling in the world.

THe best dream I ever had was that I was dead being lifted up to heaven through the clouds.

I have never even come close to that dream. And I feelte like my whole body was free and thier was no pain or sadness.

Just being lifted out off my bed too heaven. And it feelte so good its hard too describe.

It was a power that was lifting me through air with no waite. No thoughts nothing. If feelte real and it was beautifull. I never floted in air being lifted too heaven.

Thier was joy and happines in my heart and mind. And I didnt think off anything. But my body being caried too heaven. And it feele so good I never ever felte close too anything like that in my whole life.

And I never wanted this feeling too end. And the whole time I felt and thought it was realy happining.

And I never had that feeling again. But I did not forget that night or the feeling.

And I belived it was real not a dream. Like I realy was in heaven and some howe I came back too earth.

I wish other people can get that feeling and dream. Its something that gave me faith and courage. Like it took fear out off my mind and it does not matter what happines. Because now I no were I am going . And thier is a better place then EARTH.

I never wanted that feeling too end. And belive me its in my mind forever. And when I dont feel real good I think about that momonte and it gives me strength and helps me with what ever is bothering me.

And nothing has no meaning too me but that momonte.

I would pay too get that feeling again. I dont no why it happened or how it happend. It just happened. It was like all my joy and happines all put together for one momonte.

But maybe its part off my insanite side off my mind. But the feeling and release it had. Was the place I would like too be forever. It was like I was dieing and being lifted up too heaven by some force. It was unblivebale.

I have had the same dream Artie, felt like I was floating and just moving straight up into the air, calm and peaceful. I still remember it so well even though it was over 10 years ago. They say that only 5% of the population dream and even fewer have control in their dreams. Controlling your dreams is really something else. Sorry to just drift off the main topic but I was curious if you were a dreamer or not.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

I have had the same dream Artie, felt like I was floating and just moving straight up into the air, calm and peaceful. I still remember it so well even though it was over 10 years ago. They say that only 5% of the population dream and even fewer have control in their dreams. Controlling your dreams is really something else. Sorry to just drift off the main topic but I was curious if you were a dreamer or not.

Sometimes I wonder if I am dreaming my whole life.

And I also ask myself am I realy her.

Am I real alive. THe only answer I came up with was I cant prove that I am alive or her.

People might call that or say thats insanatie. But can you real prove that you are her.

How is that proven. I dont no because it could all be my imagination. Just like I ask myself .

Why am I her. I have not come up with a answer.

I can say I am a gifte from God. But then again wht did he put me her? To me these are qouistions I could never answer.

Thier are many qouistions that cant be answered.

Like Why is God not married or is he. If he has all the power . And can do whatever he wants. Why does he want us too worship him.

JUst like when some pitchers strike out a batter or score a touch down they thank God .

Like god did it. God didnt do anything too strike out the batter or score a touchdown. Even fighters after the fight.

Like God helpet them win the fight. They dont realize it was all them that did it. Or roles on a pool table. God has nothing too do with that. Why would he do all these things for these people.

He wouldnt but thats what they think. And its pretty logical. Because he will not help you win and hurt the other person too loose.

Or strike out or knock the other person out. Its all us and what we think and want to think and Belive.

Like Zambrano every time he stricks out a batter he points too the sky. Like God did it too help him. Or Sammie Saosa through kisses up in the sky. But a lot off athlets belive that God helped them to do what they did.

Bit it does give them courage and strength. I belive in God . But thier are many Qouistions I could ask Prests. And the could not give the answers too.

But the truth is people are very superstitious. And thats what makes them think that way.

Are we all born too go to heaven or hell. I dont no.

Why is it so hard for the whole world to work together. Instead of working against each other? Why dont the people see that the Goverment is robbing the people and filling thier pockets with trillions off dollaers.

Why cant the people see that. And our children and grand children will pay the price. Because we let it happen.

How long will this keep going on. And this circle keeps repeating. And it gets worse and worse for the people.

And even if something happines they still wont see what realy happened. I do not vote I will not vote. Do you think I would vote for someone too rob me.

Its thier game thier rules and they do what they want. And All my life I have said that all the goverments in the world. Are the cause off all the problems.

In all countrys How long does it take for the people in the world too see it. Forever.

I am old now and I have seen this happen too all the people in the world. My whole life.

Everyone is brain washt that thier country is the best country. Why because thats what the Goverment and the Media says. And they sit back and take the money.

Who will pay back the trillions the took and put in thier pocket. Nobody. It wont get paid back. The price can only get higher and worse tell something happins. And it will be the people who will pay the price. I promise you that.

All countier are Ok those other people in the world just want to eat and live good like everyone else.

But the goverments in all these countries wont let that happen. Just Like the goverments wont let the people in the world work together.

They need conflicte and problems. So the people can go too the govermets for help. Its amazing how smart some people are but nothing cahanges.

Even a thousand campain promises. As soon as thier in office its all about what they can get away with.

And if you want too see and find out the truth. You will find the money in the bank of England. And these are the people running the country.

Because even rich people have too put thier money some were. In a nice safe place.

But who ever is in office will take whatever they can. Why do you think they try so hard too get elected. Its not because they want too help you. Its because its a get rich quick job.

You can belive me or you can disagree. THats youre choice. I am just putting it out thier so a few people can see it.

I no what I say doesnt mean much. But sometimes it makes a difference. When
the people who can change it see it.

I am part off this word and I live in it. And I cant change it or I would. But if people see the truth.

Then thier can be a change. What I do in the world doesnt mean much. And I dont no enough people to make a difference.

But its part off all ove our lives. What is thee answer? Go along with the system or what.

 

[Skin]

Sometimes I wonder if I am dreaming my whole life.

And I also ask myself am I realy her.

Am I real alive. THe only answer I came up with was I cant prove that I am alive or her.

People might call that or say thats insanatie. But can you real prove that you are her.

How is that proven. I dont no because it could all be my imagination.

Actually, Artie, that fundamental philosophical question was answered in the 17th century by the brilliant Rene Descartes (pronounced Day-cart). "Cogito ergo sum" -- "I think, therefore I am". The act of thinking is the one thing that cannot be an illusion. In other words, if I think, I can be sure I am really alive (exist). I cannot be certain about anything else because it all might be an illusion or trick of my senses and imagination.

Good post, Artie!

"Dont' put Descartes before de horse" Skin