2007 One Pocket HOF call for nominations

oldspurguy · Oct 3, 2007

NH Steve said:
Mike Sigel is certainly a great player, but he has only dabbled a little with One Pocket -- to me he hardly represents the kind of player that we are looking to honor for their 'contribution to the legacy of One Pocket'. One Pocket has not played a significant role in his career, nor has he played a significant role in One Pocket. Same with Jim Rempe -- another great player that dabbled in One Pocket a little, but like Sigel, certainly never embraced the game like many of the other guys that are available to nominate. Same with Lassiter -- he played it, and won his share, but he never embraced it or was closely associated with the game. As it happens, all three of these guys (Rempe, Sigel & Lassiter) are in the BCA HOF, so they have not gone unrecognized.

One thing I am very proud of with the One Pocket HOF (and Bank Pool) is that every single one of the players inducted strongly associated themselves with the game of One Pocket over their careers
-- let's keep it that way!

How about Jose Parica? He certainly deserves to be added to the nominations.

Thanks for your info on Sigel. I certainly agree that he is better known for other games. He does appear as a three time winner and four time runnerup, over a thirteen year period, on your listing of one-pocket tournaments. I concur with your opinion and withdraw the nomination. I'll just leave my list at Buddy Hall and Danny Jones. Thanks.

Terry Ardeno · Oct 3, 2007

fred bentivegna said:
To my pal Terry Ardeno, Terry I overlooked Marvin Henderson. Actually, in his prime especially, I believe Marvin would be a big favorite over Cardone and Fusco, and I would bet on him playing Hopkins.

Wow. If you say Henderson would be your favorite over Billy, Jimmy AND Hopkins, then man alive, did I ever clock him wrong. And Cal, I want to publically say "I was wrong" on my assessment of Marvin in my reply to you.
If Fred says he's that strong, then I have to take it as the "GosPool"

You guys want to know something? I've been reading about and studying about the great pool players since I was 11. I'm 48 now and I like it that I can still learn new facts about some of these players thanks to threads like this and the men who contribute here.

And Fred, one question...you wrote "big favorite" How is it that I've not heard that line on him before? In my mind, I would have bet big on Billy over him and I would also have felt comfortable in taking Fusco and Hopkins over him as well. My question is "Where do you think Marvin Henderson is in the all time top what number of "onepocketeers"? Top 10? Top 20?

Thanks

fred bentivegna · Oct 3, 2007

Terry Ardeno said:
Wow. If you say Henderson would be your favorite over Billy, Jimmy AND Hopkins, then man alive, did I ever clock him wrong. And Cal, I want to publically say "I was wrong" on my assessment of Marvin in my reply to you.
If Fred says he's that strong, then I have to take it as the "GosPool"

You guys want to know something? I've been reading about and studying about the great pool players since I was 11. I'm 48 now and I like it that I can still learn new facts about some of these players thanks to threads like this and the men who contribute here.

And Fred, one question...you wrote "big favorite" How is it that I've not heard that line on him before? In my mind, I would have bet big on Billy over him and I would also have felt comfortable in taking Fusco and Hopkins over him as well. My question is "Where do you think Marvin Henderson is in the all time top what number of "onepocketeers"? Top 10? Top 20?

Thanks

Very hard question. There were so many great Onepocketeers, many were unheralded. Guys like the Eufala Kid, Big Nose Roberts, Clem, Johnny Irish, Tommy the Greek, San Jose Dick, Sellers from New Orleans, Marcel Camp, Gene Skinner, Tacoma Whitey, Blackie Le Seur, Joe Dimaggio, Detroit Slim, and a slew of others. To even be in the top 20 would be some kind of honor. The best way to put it would be to say, when Marvin was in Detroit he was spotproof. Nobody was going to give him any kind of whole ball. Billy and Marvin spent much time together in Detroit. I dont think they ever played!

the Beard
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MFH · Oct 4, 2007

I recall Clem Metz getting some votes last year but haven't noticed his name in this thread yet, surprisingly. Definitely one of the best and toughest in his prime.

I agree with nominating Buddy, Parica, and Hopkins. All three are very deserving.

Was hoping I'd see someone really step to the plate for Johnny Ervolino in this thread when I opened it. I'm sure he's more known for his straight pool accomplishments, as well as his voice, but he's the only two-time winner at the Stardust, and he played well enough, long enough (his last high finish was 5th in Grady's World Championship in 2000) to make him plenty deserving of this honor. He always brought a little color to the game as well.

And one more bump for Jimmy Fusco. He's another one with a long, great career, always in action, and I believe he co-promoted the Legends of One Pocket Philadelphia tourney, along with Grady.

Terry Ardeno · Oct 4, 2007

BigSnook said:
Was hoping I'd see someone really step to the plate for Johnny Ervolino in this thread when I opened it. I'm sure he's more known for his straight pool accomplishments, as well as his voice, but he's the only two-time winner at the Stardust, and he played well enough, long enough (his last high finish was 5th in Grady's World Championship in 2000) to make him plenty deserving of this honor. He always brought a little color to the game as well.

And one more bump for Jimmy Fusco. He's another one with a long, great career, always in action, and I believe he co-promoted the Legends of One Pocket Philadelphia tourney, along with Grady.

BigSnook,

Read post #14...Ervolino has been nominated, unless it needs to be 2nd-ed

Good thoughts on him and Fusco.

MFH · Oct 4, 2007

Oops....good looking out Terry! This is what happens, I call out of work, drink a few beers, next thing I know I'm reading three words in every post and trying to remember what I did and didn't read. Anyway, if Johnny Ervolino needs to be seconded, then I want to be the guy to do it!

MFH · Oct 4, 2007

fred bentivegna said:
Very hard question. There were so many great Onepocketeers, many were unheralded. Guys like the Eufala Kid, Big Nose Roberts, Clem, Johnny Irish, Tommy the Greek, San Jose Dick, Sellers from New Orleans, Marcel Camp, Gene Skinner, Tacoma Whitey, Blackie Le Seur, Joe Dimaggio, Detroit Slim, and a slew of others.

It's a real shame we have zero footage of most of these greats from back then.

I've seen an Accu-Stats match with San Jose Dick, from 1998. Freddie, when was Dick's prime? If you've seen the match I'm referring to, how do you think his speed from 1998 compares to his prime?

Also, was Joe Dimaggio from Philly, or am I thinking of someone else? How would he compare to other greats from that era?

Thanks in advance!

fred bentivegna · Oct 5, 2007

San Jose Dick

San Jose Dick

BigSnook said:
It's a real shame we have zero footage of most of these greats from back then.

I've seen an Accu-Stats match with San Jose Dick, from 1998. Freddie, when was Dick's prime? If you've seen the match I'm referring to, how do you think his speed from 1998 compares to his prime?

Also, was Joe Dimaggio from Philly, or am I thinking of someone else? How would he compare to other greats from that era?

Thanks in advance!

You must be talking about Grady's tourn. in Baton Rouge re Dick. I was in that tourn. and doing commentary for Accu-stats. He was well past the hill then. You would have to go back to about 1980 for Dick's top speed.
DiMaggio was from Allinger's in Philly. DiMaggio was his nickname. His first name was Vince. I forgot the last. DiMaggio was a 5 x 10 specialist. He played a ball under the really greats. In the 60s I had a stable of great pool players living with me in Ft. Lauderdale. DiMag, Cannonball Eddie, Ronnie Sypher, Monk Costanza, Artie Bodendorfer, and several other top shortstops stayed with me above the Sugar Shack Bar.

the Beard
I've got 2 new trick banks up on my blog, www.bankingwiththebeard.blogspot.com/ Do you think you can make 'em? I dont think so.

Pelican · Oct 5, 2007

Has Cliff been mentioned?

Pel

NH Steve · Oct 5, 2007

Pelican said:
Has Cliff been mentioned?

Pel

Like Shannon Daulton, we're letting him sweat a couple more years (or so)...

Pelican · Oct 6, 2007

Dang, I figured Cliff to be old enough. Must be the 'miles'

Pel

lll · Oct 8, 2007

hof reccommendations

hof reccommendations

i would like to reccommend earl heisler for the hof

hemicudas · Oct 8, 2007

lll said:
i would like to reccommend earl heisler for the hof

I agree, III. Earl is a good choice. Also, Cleo Vaughn.

roo7227 · Oct 10, 2007

I concur..

I concur..

Terry Ardeno said:
I would like to nominate Jimmy Fusco for the One Pocket HOF.

I'll second this nomination.. He belongs..

Here's a name nobody would mention.. Al Mason.. Jeremy Jones says he's the best mover (especially around the stack) in the world, besides Jack Cooney.. I watched the guy run all 15 balls into his pocket, giving some guy 15-3.. :-O..

By the way, is Cooney in the Hall?..

NH Steve · Oct 10, 2007

roo7227 said:
I'll second this nomination.. He belongs..

Here's a name nobody would mention.. Al Mason.. Jeremy Jones says he's the best mover (especially around the stack) in the world, besides Jack Cooney.. I watched the guy run all 15 balls into his pocket, giving some guy 15-3.. :-O..

By the way, is Cooney in the Hall?..

The guys whose methods have been 'undercover', like Banks Hall of Famer Vernon Elliott (elected last year), have to reach a point in their career where they don't mind that kind of attention. While they are still working, they probably don't want that. For Vernon, he was ready. But maybe Cooney isn't quite ready to retire?? Freddy, you know him; what do you think??

fred bentivegna · Oct 10, 2007

I'll ask him (her)

I'll ask him (her)

NH Steve said:
The guys whose methods have been 'undercover', like Banks Hall of Famer Vernon Elliott (elected last year), have to reach a point in their career where they don't mind that kind of attention. While they are still working, they probably don't want that. For Vernon, he was ready. But maybe Cooney isn't quite ready to retire?? Freddy, you know him; what do you think??

Actually, I think for all intents and purposes, Jack Cooney is retired. I am as close to Jack and Barbara as anybody, but that doesnt mean that Barbara wouldnt be beneath even lying to me to keep up the lemon image. But this time she may be telling the truth about Jack retiring. That's my take. You do know that I wrote a movie script based loosely on Barbara and Jack and that Barbara nixed me from even using their first names in the movie. I had to change the name from Barbara's Game to Roxanne's Game. I doubt if Barbara would be too hot about Jack being inducted, but I might be able to talk Jack into it (if I can get Barbara to put Jack on the phone --and that wont be easy because Barbara clears all calls). Jack certainly deserves consideration.

the Beard
I've got 2 new trick banks up on my blog, www.bankingwiththebeard.blogspot.com/ Do you think you can make 'em? I don't think so.

Terry Ardeno · Oct 10, 2007

fred bentivegna said:
Actually, I think for all intents and purposes, Jack Cooney is retired. I am as close to Jack and Barbara as anybody, but that doesnt mean that Barbara wouldnt be beneath even lying to me to keep up the lemon image. But this time she may be telling the truth about Jack retiring. That's my take. You do know that I wrote a movie script based loosely on Barbara and Jack and that Barbara nixed me from even using their first names in the movie. I had to change the name from Barbara's Game to Roxanne's Game. I doubt if Barbara would be too hot about Jack being inducted, but I might be able to talk Jack into it (if I can get Barbara to put Jack on the phone --and that wont be easy because Barbara clears all calls). Jack certainly deserves consideration.

the Beard
I've got 2 new trick banks up on my blog, www.bankingwiththebeard.blogspot.com/ Do you think you can make 'em? I don't think so.

Fred,
Whatever happened to that movie script? Any chance of it going forward?
You have a gift for writing about anything and making it sound so funny. Great stuff, as usual.

fred bentivegna · Oct 10, 2007

Sitting on it

Sitting on it

Terry Ardeno said:
Fred,
Whatever happened to that movie script? Any chance of it going forward?
You have a gift for writing about anything and making it sound so funny. Great stuff, as usual.

I entered a few script contests and did ok, but pool scripts are not in anybodys demand after Pool Hall Junkies.

the Beard

fred bentivegna · Oct 10, 2007

Put him in!

Put him in!

NH Steve said:
The guys whose methods have been 'undercover', like Banks Hall of Famer Vernon Elliott (elected last year), have to reach a point in their career where they don't mind that kind of attention. While they are still working, they probably don't want that. For Vernon, he was ready. But maybe Cooney isn't quite ready to retire?? Freddy, you know him; what do you think??

Unbelievably, I just got off the phone with Barbara Cooney and she said it would be Ok to put Jack on the list! Now you know he really is retired. She says he hasnt played in years and I believe her (for once). She thought he would be honored to be considered. Naturally she wouldnt let me talk to Jack (he "wasnt there" for the 100th straight time). You see Barbara's best girl friend was my ex-wife and Barbara knew I was chippying around with young un's, and true to the hustlers code didnt snitch on me. She was very upset with me about it since she knew my ex would never forgive her if she found out that Barbara knew and didnt tell her. That Barbara, whatta girl. Since then, she doesnt allow Jack and me to be together without supervision.
Let's put Jack in! He was really some kinda player.

the Beard
I've got 2 new trick banks up on my blog, www.bankingwiththebeard.blogspot.com/ Do you think you can make 'em? I don't think so.

NH Steve · Oct 17, 2007

Summary of One Pocket nominations...

Summary of One Pocket nominations...

For One Pocket, here are the names that have come up so far:

John Cannonball Lefty Chapman
Hubert Daddy Warbucks Cokes
Jack Cooney
Johnny Ervolino
Jimmy Fusco
Buddy Hall
Earl Heisler
Marvin Henderson
Allen Hopkins
Billy Incardona
Jansco brothers
Danny Jones
Clem Metz
Jose Parica
Eddie Robin
Gene Skinner
Cleo Vaughn
Rudolph Minnesota Fats Wanderone

Shannon Daulton & Cliff Joyner are being held aside for their requisite “twenty years” of seasoning – which is coming up fairly soon actually…

Many of these names have had more than one positive comment, while some have only come up once. Others have suffered a few knocks along the way. In the event that there are too many names to include on a reasonable ballot, we will go with the consensus of players getting the most positive endorsements, so don’t be afraid to chip in a comment or two.

2007 One Pocket HOF call for nominations

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