Bankshot scenario
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jtompilot
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No english required for any of them unless playing shape.
Isn't there a fix for those diamond pocket spots on those balls
Isn't there a fix for those diamond pocket spots on those balls
straightback
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No English required. Right English would tend to aid in pocketing, but you will naturally be getting it by cutting the ball in that fashion. No need to apply English.
androd
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Doesnt left english help twist the ball back?
As for the black marks, they reoccur as you fire em in the hole!
I would imagine it's different for everybody. I use a 1/2 ball hit and a tip of right hand English to help negate the "collision induced English" from the hit.
P.S. A little more English on 3 & 4
Bankshot scenario
Figures
. Freddy talks about favoring banks this way in his books too since it "makes the pocket bigger". As usual, you are the man.
Figures
. Freddy talks about favoring banks this way in his books too since it "makes the pocket bigger". As usual, you are the man.straightback
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Why, Rod? To me, the collision-induced English is helpful in pocketing the bank. In my experience, most seem to be in favor of even *increasing* the collision-induced English, particularly where the ball is shot at pocket speed. Lmk your thoughts!
androd
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The reason I said it's likely different for everyone is my stroke induces a little too much CIE. Maybe it's because I strike down a little more than some. I use 1/2 ball hits for many banks and have learned to adjust with English instead of changing the contact point.
straightback
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Gotcha. Lotta different ways to make a bank, that's for sure!
mr3cushion
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The CB positions #3 & #4 have to be 'contacted less than half-full!'
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By applying 2 O'clock English and contacting the OB thinner than 1/2 ball 'CIE' produces more of a 'perpendicular angle' off the cushion for the OB! Helping the 'angle into the pocket!'
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By applying 2 O'clock English and contacting the OB thinner than 1/2 ball 'CIE' produces more of a 'perpendicular angle' off the cushion for the OB! Helping the 'angle into the pocket!'
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darmoose
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Rod
I happen to agree with Dan. I look for the CEI to turn the ball into the pocket going cross corner.
But, I'm curious about your method? How do you maintain a half ball hit from position 1 thru 4 when the angle changes so much? Don't you end up pocketing the OB in the wrong hole if you simply do that, and don't adjust the contact point?
androd
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Rod
I happen to agree with Dan. I look for the CEI to turn the ball into the pocket going cross corner.
But, I'm curious about your method? How do you maintain a half ball hit from position 1 thru 4 when the angle changes so much? Don't you end up pocketing the OB in the wrong hole if you simply do that, and don't adjust the contact point?
Well I don't use a stiff shaft, so the added English that I mentioned for #'s 3 & 4 probably deflects the CB enough to change where I strike the OB. I am aiming at 1/2 half ball but probably not where I strike it. Hope this makes some sense.
I naturally shoot shots different ways to play safe or position.
P.S. After thinking about #'s 3 & 4, I often draw these shots to increase CIE and this would require a thinner hit.
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mr3cushion
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Rod
I happen to agree with Dan. I look for the CEI to turn the ball into the pocket going cross corner.
But, I'm curious about your method? How do you maintain a half ball hit from position 1 thru 4 when the angle changes so much? Don't you end up pocketing the OB in the wrong hole if you simply do that, and don't adjust the contact point?
100% CORRECT, Moose!
In #3 & #4 the ob has to be 'contacted less than 1/2 ball!' When the 2 O'clock English is applied, the OB will carom off the cushion more, 'Perpendicular' that angle will, 'Open the pocket' better to receive the ball!
androd
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Maybe Rob can tell us how to play this bank when you are drawing your rock 4 or more rails?
Firm, preferably with a stakehorse.
:lol
John Brumback
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I like straight top on say the tables at the dcc,(with new cloth)
On that worn cloth tho,you might need a little helping hand of left.
With that shot it all depends on how the rails play (soft) ( hard) springy and so forth,imo.
On alot of the GC's I have played on,for some reason that ball wants to come back up the table,so I would use a little left if that's the case.
:sorry I have no clear answer.... John B.
On that worn cloth tho,you might need a little helping hand of left.
With that shot it all depends on how the rails play (soft) ( hard) springy and so forth,imo.
On alot of the GC's I have played on,for some reason that ball wants to come back up the table,so I would use a little left if that's the case.
:sorry I have no clear answer.... John B.