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Old 08-17-2019, 01:53 PM
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Default A Ball on the break proposal

In watching yesterday's match between Scott Frost and Danny Smith I heard an interesting idea when it came to a player who makes
a ball on the break and the re-rack rule is in force. Did any of you catch this?

I don't know if this rule was implemented in this match but here is what was at least suggested:

Rack your own and if you make a ball on the break it calls for a re-rack.
Now here was the interesting part. Should you scratch on your follow-up break you can then have a third and deciding re-rack and break.

I think this is only fair considering how on the first break you would be in such a commanding position
and with having scratched on your second attempt you are now in deep guano. Seems like the two
breaks cancel one another out.
It will not happen often but it will happen.

What does the OP.org public think of this idea?
I suggest we include this rule in our OP.org tournaments.
This inquiring mind wants the know.

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Old 08-17-2019, 02:01 PM
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Sure. What a bummer that would be - to scratch on the re-break!
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:44 PM
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A couple of weeks ago, in the first game with a friend who comes over weekly,
I broke and made one. I suggested we start going by OP.org rules and re-rack.
My friend reluctantly agreed. I broke again and scratched in his pocket.
This sounds like a good idea to me.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:02 PM
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Sounds fair.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:28 PM
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At Cal. Billiards 2018 MOT players meeting, the making of a ball on the break never came up. Therefore it was of little importance to the member players! Whitey
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:33 PM
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It was Tres Kane that said that is the rule he has used in events he has run. Every time this topic comes I always used the example of what happens if on the 2nd break you either scratch or sell out the corner ball. My feeling this is not fair. I think Tres' solution moves toward a fairer solution but I don't think solves the case where the breaker sinks a ball on the break and then sells out the corner ball on the 2nd break. Here in this example the breaker has been penalized for his good break and now has to live with his 2nd break where his opponent has a chance to run out or at least take control of the table

Expanding on Tres' rule I would like to see the breaker have the option of a 3rd break if he sells out that ball. Its the only truly fair solution if your are going the repack if the breaker makes a ball.

The best solution is 1 break and whatever happens, happens. Keith
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:01 PM
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It was Tres Kane that said that is the rule he has used in events he has run. Every time this topic comes I always used the example of what happens if on the 2nd break you either scratch or sell out the corner ball. My feeling this is not fair. I think Tres' solution moves toward a fairer solution but I don't think solves the case where the breaker sinks a ball on the break and then sells out the corner ball on the 2nd break. Here in this example the breaker has been penalized for his good break and now has to live with his 2nd break where his opponent has a chance to run out or at least take control of the table

Expanding on Tres' rule I would like to see the breaker have the option of a 3rd break if he sells out that ball. Its the only truly fair solution if your are going the repack if the breaker makes a ball.

The best solution is 1 break and whatever happens, happens. Keith




Keith, This is the way I see it too. Rack for yourself or rack for each other. the opposing player has the option to inspect the rack. What could be more fair than that? Unfortunately, times have changed. So what is to be done to make this new re-rack rule be more fair. Tres' option is one solution. There are others.

In speaking to Jakie, he mentioned the possibility of giving the breaker the option of spotting the ball and surrender the inning to the opponent or risking a re-rack and break the balls again, taking whatever comes.

As I see it, this is not a bad alternative.
Something to consider leading to the next event.

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Old 08-17-2019, 06:08 PM
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Im tired of always hearing about the "Grady Rule" so if my suggestion is ever put in place I deem it the "Sappo Rule". K
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:09 PM
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Why not break and sit down, no matter what happens, then your opponent shoots..
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:17 PM
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Why not break and sit down, no matter what happens, then your opponent shoots..

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The best solution is 1 break and whatever happens, happens. Keith
^^^^^this is what I believe, too, if you cannot continue shooting after making a ball ^^^^
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