in the last game i think. ben played a safe and sent the cue ball up in the corner pocket so had to spot two balls. so he put them up.
dave then proceeded to line them up and go around and check them from different angles and realign them. then ben let dave even tap one down with the butt of his cuestick. so he could do the okie dokey shot.
would you let your opponent the shooter in the finals do this?
in the last game i think. ben played a safe and sent the cue ball up in the corner pocket so had to spot two balls. so he put them up.
dave then proceeded to line them up and go around and check them from different angles and realign them. then ben let dave even tap one down with the butt of his cuestick. so he could do the okie dokey shot.
would you let your opponent the shooter in the finals do this?
The way Ben and Dave handled it was ideal. They were both in agreement.in the last game i think. ben played a safe and sent the cue ball up in the corner pocket so had to spot two balls. so he put them up.
dave then proceeded to line them up and go around and check them from different angles and realign them. then ben let dave even tap one down with the butt of his cuestick. so he could do the okie dokey shot.
would you let your opponent the shooter in the finals do this?
for no where in any rules does it state that the opponent is to spot balls for the incoming shooter!
Here is proper procedure:
Opponent always spots balls for the incoming shooter.
Great post!These member tournaments are more about friendship than following set rules. Thus you find guys putting up balls you have made, moving coins, setting spot shots, the whole ball of works. I know when playing one of my matches, my opponent told me to catch a ball going into the pocket, something I don’t do and would not consider. I caught the ball as asked and took my turn. No words. No objections. No argument.
As Whitey mentioned, during the Best Coast tournament, I told him he was shooting at the wrong hole. For three dollars, I would have let him shoot it, but sportsmanship in a members tournament outweighs “rules”.
These member tournaments are more about friendship than following set rules. Thus you find guys putting up balls you have made, moving coins, setting spot shots, the whole ball of works. I know when playing one of my matches, my opponent told me to catch a ball going into the pocket, something I don’t do and would not consider. I caught the ball as asked and took my turn. No words. No objections. No argument.
As Whitey mentioned, during the Best Coast tournament, I told him he was shooting at the wrong hole. For three dollars, I would have let him shoot it, but sportsmanship in a members tournament outweighs “rules”.
Many times I have posted about OP proper procedure, with little to no response! The lack of specifically pointing out proper procedure (what is expected of players) when playing OP lends to this gray area, for no where in any rules does it state that the opponent is to spot balls for the incoming shooter!
Here is proper procedure:
Opponent always spots balls for the incoming shooter.
A scored ball is always placed in their collective area by the scorer.
A ball owed is always removed by the player that owes the ball.
The coin is always placed or removed by the offending player.
A neutral ball pocketed is the ball spotted, and not another ball.
A break from play can only be taken during your inning.
With the above in placed then it is courteous to remind a player when a proper procedure is forgotten. For instance; you remind a player to place a coin.
Further:
A player down on the shot can not be interrupted. The shooter points to and declares balls are frozen. Opponent can approach the table to inspect close proximity shots or to determine whether balls are frozen or not, and at appropriate times can discuss a coin or ball forgotten, or a neutral ball mistakenly placed in a collective area, and things of this nature, but should never approach the table and disrupt a shooter to simply ask what the score is.
These simple above statements would add so much to the excellence of OP. Whitey
Well said.
Two thumbs up.
Many times I have posted about OP proper procedure, with little to no response! The lack of specifically pointing out proper procedure (what is expected of players) when playing OP lends to this gray area, for no where in any rules does it state that the opponent is to spot balls for the incoming shooter!
Here is proper procedure:
Opponent always spots balls for the incoming shooter.
A scored ball is always placed in their collective area by the scorer.
A ball owed is always removed by the player that owes the ball.
The coin is always placed or removed by the offending player.
A neutral ball pocketed is the ball spotted, and not another ball.
A break from play can only be taken during your inning.
With the above in placed then it is courteous to remind a player when a proper procedure is forgotten. For instance; you remind a player to place a coin.
Further:
A player down on the shot can not be interrupted. The shooter points to and declares balls are frozen. Opponent can approach the table to inspect close proximity shots or to determine whether balls are frozen or not, and at appropriate times can discuss a coin or ball forgotten, or a neutral ball mistakenly placed in a collective area, and things of this nature, but should never approach the table and disrupt a shooter to simply ask what the score is.
These simple above statements would add so much to the excellence of OP. Whitey