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Old 01-12-2012, 08:18 AM
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I was told that you should hardly ever draw the ball wen playing bank, if this is true im screwed cause I draw the rock on about 90% of my straight backs. Any info on this id like to know.

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Old 01-12-2012, 01:13 PM
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I was told that you should hardly ever draw the ball wen playing bank, if this is true im screwed cause I draw the rock on about 90% of my straight backs. Any info on this id like to know.
Does that mean that you are actually drawing the cue ball back or are you just hitting it low?

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Old 01-12-2012, 01:48 PM
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Does that mean that you are actually drawing the cue ball back or are you just hitting it low?

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well on a lot of shots I draw the cueball back to the end rail. Only on straight backs though Fred cross sides and corners its more center ball, and also on some straight backs I use center. but it seems like im drawing the cue ball like 70 to 90% of the time on straight backs.
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:56 PM
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What up TJ? I was your 1st round bye over at Red Shoes a month ago...anyway, Fred's inquiry certainly has a professorial tone to it! I've been working specifically on my straight-backs & with what I've gathered from this site - I've found that if you slightly over cut the bank in the direction of the pocket while putting a VERY slight amount of inside and hitting low enough to in essence stop the cball upon impact gives me the results I desire. I like this formula for 2 destinct reasons...1: The shallow'er' path the object ball takes off the short rail to the pocket makes it play much bigger and 2: The speed needed to hit & stick, on say a spot shot with you in the kitchen, has you opening up your stroke & guttin' this thing with some pace. Man, for me it just seems even with speed...the object has that spin we all love to see that when it wipes its feet on the pocket - it still topples in nicely! Excited to learn what the experts say on this becuase I used to draw my straight backs a vast majority of the time too...at least for safety reasons. -David
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Old 01-12-2012, 04:30 PM
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There are some banks that can only be made if you have the ability to draw the cue ball back so it does not kiss the ball you are trying to bank. I beat a lot of guys that play shape on a short rail bank when shooting a long straight back.
When their straight back jaws up, they leave you their perfect position.
I use draw when i do not want to sell out if the ball hangs on me. I don't think this idea of not using draw is chiseled in stone as the gospel. imho, let the shot dictate what i need to do with the cue ball. I'm not a champion , but have been playing pool since 1956 at age 12. Jim
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There are some banks that can only be made if you have the ability to draw the cue ball back so it does not kiss the ball you are trying to bank. I beat a lot of guys that play shape on a short rail bank when shooting a long straight back.
When their straight back jaws up, they leave you their perfect position.

I use draw when i do not want to sell out if the ball hangs on me. I don't think this idea of not using draw is chiseled in stone as the gospel. imho, let the shot dictate what i need to do with the cue ball. I'm not a champion , but have been playing pool since 1956 at age 12. Jim
Big Jim is correct. Some shots you need draw, most shots you do not. You gots to do what youre supposed to do.

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Old 01-13-2012, 08:13 AM
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John has mentioned in here that he never draws banks he is cinching, unless it is required to get out of a kiss, or perhaps for safety or position play.

I'm with you though. I use draw sometimes and dont know why. i do this less now though, and with good results. I have come to the conclusion that bank pool is essentially about shortening banks up, and using a lot of center ball, with touches of english (both inside and outside come up a lot). I used to use too much spin, now I have toned that down and i'm more accurate.... I see those "shortened" angles, and go from there.
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:31 PM
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I was told that you should hardly ever draw the ball wen playing bank, if this is true im screwed cause I draw the rock on about 90% of my straight backs. Any info on this id like to know.
I think so.I know I don't like using draw unless I really really need to.But that's just me.By the way,I sell "how to bank" dvds.Fred the Beard does also.
Good luck kid.John B.
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