lll
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for kicking and banking could those of you on the forum tell me (us) how you do it? is it purely by feel ? is it corner 5? is it mirror table ?etc? id like to know.
lll said:for kicking and banking could those of you on the forum tell me (us) how you do it? is it purely by feel ? is it corner 5? is it mirror table ?etc? id like to know.
Pool players dont use the dimond 5 into 3 brings you off off dimond two into the corner. some pool players might no. Espcialy if the learend the dimond system. Bugs Told me he playes by feel . And On some shots he knowes how much english to use . And he creates angles with speed. I never learned none of this . Thas why i cant bank. I think Cannon Ball or Young Blood shot playing with the lites. I dont care for banks So I will Turn It over to the Bank Expert Freedy. And He can Answer all you Quistions Because He Loves Banks And Knowes banks. So You Might as well ask someone that knowes.lll said:for kicking and banking could those of you on the forum tell me (us) how you do it? is it purely by feel ? is it corner 5? is it mirror table ?etc? id like to know.
I am fortunate to have 2006 National 3-cushion champion, Mazin Shooni now running the nearest poolroom to me (only a half hour's drive away ). A couple of weeks ago he hosted a three cushion tournament that included three current or former national champs. Mazin ended up third. But he did make a gorgeous "bank shot" in billiards terminology:mr3cushion said:III; In the past 40 yrs. I've been playing 3 cushion billiards, I've created some of the most effective 1 and 2 cushion kicking systems around. I've only shown them to a few of my long time friends, "The Professor", "The Beard", actually pool players, not billiard players who could use it against me. I will tell you one thing, the so called "corner 5 system", is not correct on any table, pool or billiard. The hardest shots in 3 cushion billiards, believe it or not are banks, this is the last shot a billiard player wants to have to shoot, because there is not much of margin for error, in your calculation or stroke, it has to be the same allways.
If any one on this site is interested in learning any systems for pool or billiards, go to Old School Pool.net for information on our first clinic, May 17-19.
vapros said:While we are on the subject of banking in one-pocket, I have a question for the good bankers here. On a fairly long cross bank, is your focus primarily on the contact point on the object ball, as opposed to focusing on the spot on the rail you want to hit? Maybe the answer is 'both equally', but I'm asking anyway. I'm not good on those shots, and they're not getting much easier. I find the long rail banks easier to see. Thanks.
vapros said:To me, even the shorter one qualifies as a fairly long cross bank. I have trouble visualizing the angle, and I'm reluctant to shoot, unless I can leave the cue ball safe. I play with guys who make these like they're easy. Not so.
vapros said:Nearly always pocket speed, because these are lags to me. The only exceptions would be shots where my first concern is the cue ball, and I need more force for my plan. Usually, if I hit a shot sharply it's because I have confidence I can make it. Isn't that how most players do it?
lll said:for kicking and banking could those of you on the forum tell me (us) how you do it? is it purely by feel ? is it corner 5? is it mirror table ?etc? id like to know.
vapros said:Thanks, CD. I just feel that after fifteen years of one-pocket those shots should come easier. Guess I will have to live with them as lags. I never play anything else but one-pocket.
Cowboy Dennis said:vapros,
Your original question was how to aim these banks. If you are lagging them in a one-pocket game, you aim and shoot them different than if you were playing banks or 9-ball. I do not have a method except for feel and experience.
If you were playing banks, you would hit the ball with the correct speed and spin to pocket the ball the best way possible.
In a one-pocket game, you want the ball to hang around the hole should you miss. You have to compromise aim for the sake of pocket speed or position.
As far as I know, only experience will show you where to aim them.
Dennis
On my table If I kit one dimond and a half.The Cue ball will come off of 3 and a half dimond and go in the corner pocket. My table runs short. And mos pool tables run short. If you hit 2 and a half dimonds and come of of 2 and a half dimonds moet pool tableswill come short a halfa dimond to a dimond. And real short table a dimond and a half. But thats what you have to learn when you play on a strange table. but your diagrams are goog guids. Thanks for your post.senor said:My banking/kicking system was basically the mirror system. I would use diamonds and pockets as references for how the table played. Usually, a kick shot starting by the side pocket aimed at the second diamond will be a dead shot into the corner pocket. So from the side pocket to the second diamond I would extend that line past the table and use a reference point, like a pocket on the next table over, or a leg on a bar stool, and I could use that reference point as a place to begin judging a kick shot or bank shot. Notice judgment needs to be involved because sometimes I would use the reference point and look at the shot and just know it wasn't right and that an adjustment was needed.
I'll learn the multi-page layout soon enough, just not now, so excuse me for the multiple WEIs. These diagrams show the 'dead' spots, or the reference points I would find on all tables I played on. The first diagram shows a cue ball (A) hit pocket speed above center and a cue ball (B) hit firmly below center. I would use these reference points whenever I needed to slow roll a bank or fire one in, or whenever I needed to slow roll a kick or hit one firm.
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The next diagram depicts the first 'dead' spot I was describing above and the three rail 'dead' spot.
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Hope this helps. I never accepted proposals to give lessons when people asked me...now you can tell why, I have a hard time putting this stuff into words.
Man, that is REALLY short! Especially for Nevada. Is your table a 9' or an 8'? It seems like on most 9-footers, if you hit at 2-1/4 or 2, it'll take the CB to the corner. I wonder if some table work would lengthen the angles?Artie Bodendorfer said:On my table If I kit one dimond and a half.The Cue ball will come off of 3 and a half dimond and go in the corner pocket. My table runs short. And mos pool tables run short. If you hit 2 and a half dimonds and come of of 2 and a half dimonds moet pool tableswill come short a halfa dimond to a dimond. And real short table a dimond and a half. But thats what you have to learn when you play on a strange table.
I have a gold crown table its a 9 foot table. My table runs short.gulfportdoc said:Man, that is REALLY short! Especially for Nevada. Is your table a 9' or an 8'? It seems like on most 9-footers, if you hit at 2-1/4 or 2, it'll take the CB to the corner. I wonder if some table work would lengthen the angles?
Doc