lll
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Bernie P. mentioned scott's playing efren 11 ahead for 10k at the DCC
thoughts anyone on how they are playing NOW and likely outcome??
thoughts anyone on how they are playing NOW and likely outcome??
Fast Lenny said:They are playing even with the dates being the 21st and 22nd. I will be there for it and think Scott will win but he does not have to win, probably the best match to bet for pure gambling.
I doubt that they are playing 11 ahead, probably a race to 11 sounds more likely.lll said:Bernie P. mentioned scott's playing efren 11 ahead for 10k at the DCC
thoughts anyone on how they are playing NOW and likely outcome??
CaliRed said:Do we know how this thing all came about? I'm always curious how these types of matches get started? Did Accu-stats get ahold of both players and ask if they would do anything as a special type of match?
I don't get in till 10:00 friday, so tell them not to start anything until I get checked in and everything What a perfect way to start the Derby off!
wincardona said:I doubt that they are playing 11 ahead, probably a race to 11 sounds more likely.
My take on this match up is that it will be a close match, but I feel Reyes should be a slight favorite, considering he will have time to prepare for the match. If they were playing daily, I would make Scott a favorite because of the age difference. Energy plays a major role in matches, particularly when there is an age gap between the players. In this particular match a race to 11 is somewhat taxing and should favor Frost if they were to play straight through. If they break it up between 2 days then Reyes imo deserves the slight nod.
What ever happens i'm sure we will be treated to some of the finest one pocket possible. There is no doubt that the top two one pocket players in the world are Reyes and Frost, and in no particular order. I believe this match will be won by 1 or 2 games by either player, no more.
I have played both players a number of times and have felt their strengths, and this is going to be a hell of a great match that one shouldn't miss if possible. Their both monster players.
Trust me, i'm a doctor.
Billy I.
i beleive efren has lost twice to scott playing even.ICBWwincardona said:I doubt that they are playing 11 ahead, probably a race to 11 sounds more likely.
My take on this match up is that it will be a close match, but I feel Reyes should be a slight favorite, considering he will have time to prepare for the match. If they were playing daily, I would make Scott a favorite because of the age difference. Energy plays a major role in matches, particularly when there is an age gap between the players. In this particular match a race to 11 is somewhat taxing and should favor Frost if they were to play straight through. If they break it up between 2 days then Reyes imo deserves the slight nod.
What ever happens i'm sure we will be treated to some of the finest one pocket possible. There is no doubt that the top two one pocket players in the world are Reyes and Frost, and in no particular order. I believe this match will be won by 1 or 2 games by either player, no more.
I have played both players a number of times and have felt their strengths, and this is going to be a hell of a great match that one shouldn't miss if possible. Their both monster players.
Trust me, i'm a doctor.
Billy I.
lll said:i beleive efren has lost twice to scott playing even.ICBW
if this is correct why do you think NOW in 2011 efren still has a chance and the batton has not been passed to the next generation ???
just askin
lll said:i beleive efren has lost twice to scott playing even.ICBW
if this is correct why do you think NOW in 2011 efren still has a chance and the batton has not been passed to the next generation ???
just askin
As Reyes ages I agree that his chances lessens, but I still think he's capable of playing brilliantly if he's able to prepare. When Frost beat Reyes it was at night after long hrs. of tournament play.where Reyes tank may have been on half full before they started. It was never Scotts intention to play position on Reyes in terms of possible endurance problems, he Scott just wanted to play. I feel that if Reyes has rest and is prepared to play it will be a differen't type of match. What ever happens it will be a match for the ages and one , one shouldn't miss.lll said:i beleive efren has lost twice to scott playing even.ICBW
if this is correct why do you think NOW in 2011 efren still has a chance and the batton has not been passed to the next generation ???
just askin
Startin shit again.stevelomako said:Because Dippy is staking Bata and he'll be front row and center. Every time Scott will be shooting he's going to start counting money in front of him.
wincardona said:Startin shit again.
Billy I.
bernie p said:This is going to be an epic match, no doubt. Perhaps the one pocket match of the decade?
There are certainly many who would (arguably) say that Frost and Reyes are currently the two best 1P players in the world today. I believe, as it stands today, it is truly a coin flip.
Efren at age 56 is currently giving up approx 30 years on the wire and yet his recent successes in last couple of years seem to defy the theory that very few major titles are attained in today's billiard arena for the "over 40".
Up until as recently as 2 or 3 years ago Scott had not beaten Efren, even with a couple of ball handicap. Within the last 2 years, I believe Scott has beaten Efren 3 out of 4 times, playing even, for the cash (please correct me if I am wrong).
So psychologically, you could argue that Scott's game has come of age and mentally he is, no doubt, ready. Scott's as the reigning DCC 1P Champion returns to the Derby as the man to beat.
At 56, Efren knows that his 1P reign must come to an end in the foreseeable future but I am not yet quite convinced that we are there today. You might argue that the results of previous short race battles are somewhat inconclusive as to who actually is the "best". Yes, a race to 11 is perhaps more telling but unless the score is a landslide, then a one or two rack difference is essentially of little consequence, beyond bragging rights.
From a "strengths" point of view the differences are very minor and subtle. I believe that Efren has a slight advantage in the early-game moving/tickying area but his eyes are not as young, and his long range "gotta" shoot at shots are perhaps 1 or 2 percent less accurate than the Efren of a few years ago. Both run balls with amazing skill but for the first time ever I believe that Scott is dissecting the pack and manufacturing balls better than Efren. (I know....I know, that's a brazen statement )
In recent years many Frost detractors have argued that he shoots too aggressively and would eventually succumb to Efren's moving skills however I have personally witnessed a certain level of maturing in Scott's game within the last 18 months, to the point that I feel his current blend of offense/defense to be optimal for modern day 1P Champion standards.
I suspect Efren will be in serious practice with some very skilled competition prior to the match. I believe Scott's biggest challenge will be the lack of tough sparring partners to make him battle ready. Having said that, I have seen Scott with virtually no table time in many weeks, step up and play world class within a few hours. In my book, that is truly the definition of talent/legend.
So....my fellow 1P prognosticators.....what does this all mean? Well.....if you are still a staunch Efren fan, then an Efren win by any score, would solidify his no.1 ranking.
A narrow win (1 or 2 games) by Scott may not totally sway the old Efren Guard.
In order for Scott to be considered the definitive no. 1, the Efren following may need to see a convincing win (4 or 5 games).
On the other hand, if you are in the Frost camp, a win by any margin will only cement the trend of other recent victories.
I hate to even attempt to call this match but if I gotta'......my prediction is going to be........ hilla-hilla......Frost.
Whaddy'all think?
Bernie.
Didn't Scott put out an offer to play anyone anywhere about a year ago? If I remember correctly Efren's camp accepted the offer and tried to arrange the match in Rancho Cucamonga, Ca. but Scott then wanted the match at Kolbys in Arizona. This coming match should be interesting with two different styles. One power and the other finesse. Like Ruth vs Cobb, Tyson vs Ali. Can't hardly wait.Fast Lenny said:I believe they both enjoy playing one another as Scott has chased Efren all over.