I know this a One Pocket Forum but we all love pool so here goes. I watched the West Coast Swing Semi's and Finals and that Magic Rack really changes the complexion of rotation games. If you are the best breaker with the Magic Rack, you win. It seems like pool is now becomming a specialist sport with that rack. I remember when Corey was specializing with the soft pattern break and that was stopped and now I wonder if the same shouldn't happen with the Magic Rack.
Magic rack
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jrhendy
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I think the top players are going to figure out an advantage no matter what. Racking the nine ball on the spot seems to help, but they will figure that out too.
LSJohn
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Yeah, they probably will, but until they do, 9-on-the-spot is the way to go, in my non-rotation-playing opinion. :heh (but I will venture fitty-cent or so nownden.)
Nick B
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Just as a variation on this top. What if someone comes up with a killer one pocket break where you make a ball on the break and you have a shot to make the next ball with a pack breaking shot? Would we modify the rules? Break Box? Break and stop rule?
crabbcatjohn
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I was Nashville when Sky ran 3-10 packs in the midnight madness mini tournament using the magic rack. Its also common to let them manipulate the balls in the rack while using it. If you watch they noodle the 1 ball to create a little gap. Yes, it needs to go away.
make the break from the spot. this way its alot harder to do much.
better still since they took strategy out of the game with eliminating shootout.
at least have a forced shootout on the break if you make a ball.
and yes if they figured a way to make a ball on the break in one pocket you would need to change the rules or the game would also be ruined. there you could have the opponent shoot no matter what after your break.
better still since they took strategy out of the game with eliminating shootout.
at least have a forced shootout on the break if you make a ball.
and yes if they figured a way to make a ball on the break in one pocket you would need to change the rules or the game would also be ruined. there you could have the opponent shoot no matter what after your break.
LSJohn
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You got it, beatle, IMO. Break-and-done is much better than re-rack, especially in tournaments where re-rack slows the match down.
gulfportdoc
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"Break-and-done". I like it. Did you coin that phrase? That's a good one, and it would catch on.
~Doc
I don't play rotation games much anymore but if I do I want the magic rack simply because it is the same for both players. Rack your own is a joke these guys buy a video and either manipulate the rack or read it and move the cue ball to make balls. I gave a guy the 6 ball and he couldn't play a lick but he knew the rack and made a ball on the break every time. I don't care enough about rotation to buy the video so the magic rack for me.
rotation thoughts
rotation thoughts
I personally liked the Sardo rack. But a perfect rack everytime was too predictable so that died. Any method of racking that allows players to touch the balls in the rack opens up the possibility of cheating ( tilting the rack, creating gaps,patterns etc). It is ,inmo,terrible to watch rotation games as they are played now. A big part of the attraction and beauty of 9 ball was watching a guy string racks. (think Earl breaking and running out the set on Sigel) This can't happen in today's game. Texas Express!! don't get me started. There are some great rotation players in the game now. I would love to see these guys play some 2 foul pushout winner break 9ball. One thing for certain, it wouldn't be boring. One last thing regarding the 10 ball break- get rid of it altogether. Put all 11 balls in a pillow case and drop them over the middle of the table. Breaker plays from there no ball in hand.
rotation thoughts
I personally liked the Sardo rack. But a perfect rack everytime was too predictable so that died. Any method of racking that allows players to touch the balls in the rack opens up the possibility of cheating ( tilting the rack, creating gaps,patterns etc). It is ,inmo,terrible to watch rotation games as they are played now. A big part of the attraction and beauty of 9 ball was watching a guy string racks. (think Earl breaking and running out the set on Sigel) This can't happen in today's game. Texas Express!! don't get me started. There are some great rotation players in the game now. I would love to see these guys play some 2 foul pushout winner break 9ball. One thing for certain, it wouldn't be boring. One last thing regarding the 10 ball break- get rid of it altogether. Put all 11 balls in a pillow case and drop them over the middle of the table. Breaker plays from there no ball in hand.
Frank Almanza
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I agree with the 2 foul pushout winner break, however regarding the pillow case the good players will find a way to manipulate the pillow case in their favor pretty quick.
Dennis "Whitey" Young
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A magic rack IMO is different than the Sardo rack, or racking a perfect rack by hand, because the balls are under pressure against each other. This creates the corner ball to go in the corner pocket, Everytime!
In DCC the shooter racks, and racks and racks, it takes so long for they are manipulating the rack to make the corner ball. The best manipulator wins! I think it is the 2017 match Efren vs. Orcollo this becomes very apparent! Whitey
In DCC the shooter racks, and racks and racks, it takes so long for they are manipulating the rack to make the corner ball. The best manipulator wins! I think it is the 2017 match Efren vs. Orcollo this becomes very apparent! Whitey
only a sucker would let an opponent rack if they thought he knew how to rack well for himself.
in tournament the ref. should rack.
if you cant have a ref. then have the opponent put the balls in the rack however he wants them and the shooter gets to push the rack forward to the spot and immediately remove the rack without touching any balls.
best option that has a chance to become used, is too rack in rotation all the balls in order with the money ball on the spot and the breaker breaks from the head spot and all balls made get spotted.
in tournament the ref. should rack.
if you cant have a ref. then have the opponent put the balls in the rack however he wants them and the shooter gets to push the rack forward to the spot and immediately remove the rack without touching any balls.
best option that has a chance to become used, is too rack in rotation all the balls in order with the money ball on the spot and the breaker breaks from the head spot and all balls made get spotted.
Bill
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One Pocket in the DC area has always, imo, been the game of choice. As little as I play these days I see this remedy taking place often - make a ball on the break in OP - you re-rack
Seems to work ...
Bill
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I'm gonna have to work on this pillow case break thingy
at what height do you recommend dropping from? Certain any pool room owner wouldn't mind this break Hope all is well with your recovery and health Nick
I'll be trying to play little prior to the 65+ tournament. Have you been playing? On my end I just want to personally witness how my competitive genes are doing ... or not doing. Hardly playing at all doesn't help anyone's game but that's me
See you soon sir
Pillow case
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Hey Bill-
Good to hear from you. I kind of got on roll talking about the current state of 9 and 10 ball and the pillow case thing popped into my head. I don't really see it taking hold but I guess my point was to find a way to start the game without the players touching the balls. Could you see Chief or Sporty watching somebody drop a bag of balls onto the table from about light level? That alone would have been worth getting barred for a month or two!
I plan on going to Houston but I will be dead money in the tournament since I am only playing once or twice a month. Healthwise I am doing pretty well so I am thankful in that regard. How are you hittin'em? I may be in DC in August so I'll try to give you a call.
Nick
Pillow case
Hey Bill-
Good to hear from you. I kind of got on roll talking about the current state of 9 and 10 ball and the pillow case thing popped into my head. I don't really see it taking hold but I guess my point was to find a way to start the game without the players touching the balls. Could you see Chief or Sporty watching somebody drop a bag of balls onto the table from about light level? That alone would have been worth getting barred for a month or two!
I plan on going to Houston but I will be dead money in the tournament since I am only playing once or twice a month. Healthwise I am doing pretty well so I am thankful in that regard. How are you hittin'em? I may be in DC in August so I'll try to give you a call.
Nick
Bill
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Same here (dead money) as far as the tournament goes but I would still like to see what I have left in the tank
Certainly glad to hear that your health is on the okay level Nick. Talk when you get back to DC
Chief and Sporty Haven't given these guys much thought the last 30-40 or so years. Guys and Dolls - a super quality pool education it was!! Very grateful for our years spent in an action packed 24hr poolroom. Good memories