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Old 10-28-2019, 03:45 PM
Dennis "Whitey" Young Dennis "Whitey" Young is online now
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Default Twist Cross Corner OP Bank!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2yxQ1KG4FLL4FaDt8 Click on video to get sound & click on box to enlarge.

Notice I am not using below center which adds more twist. If I was to use below center then I could not accomplish getting the cb to the other side of the stack. Staying really relaxed is what gives the cb the action.
I wanted to give a good representation on stroking the cb, so that members can clearly see how to stroke it, because this can be a very troubling shot to get that much twist. If your having trouble then go to trying stroking it similar but with below center, it is easier.
I believe the center of the 3 ball clears the pocket point by about an inch, for those that think I am coming off the point, or rounded part of the rail, I am not!

Enjoy and good luck trying it. More twist back banks to come. I hope this helpful for those that struggle with this type of bank! Whitey

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Old 10-28-2019, 08:35 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Gonna give that a try tomorrow.

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Old 10-28-2019, 09:13 PM
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whitey
with the balls that straight in alignment and so close to the rail
i find it hard to"turn" the ball that much
nice shot....
larry
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:00 AM
Dennis "Whitey" Young Dennis "Whitey" Young is online now
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Default conventional twist bank!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q8YoUi6bA62mMUH7 Click on video for sound & click on box to enlarge.
This video is intended to demonstrate the stroke to get maximum twist. I got a lot of twist on the shot! Hopefully this will help members to work up to doing the previous video shot, if they are having trouble with it. The balls are on the wear line 3/4" off the rail.

My last video represented doing a twist bank using follow, since that is what was needed for a legit OP shot. I reviewed some legionary bank pool player's videos, and they all used below center or center ball with little or some reverse english on somewhat similar shots to get the twist. Therefore I believe my technique of following in behind the stack is unique. I believe some believe the shot is not possible so I wanted to demonstrate that it is possible.
Thanks, Hank & Cooler for the comments, I appreciate it! Whitey
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:06 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Just wondering how much the distance factors into this.
Yours being what(?), 5' across and the bar table I shoot
on being close to 3.5'. Total difference is about 3' (going
back and forth. I may need to aim further to the outside.

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Old 10-29-2019, 09:26 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Just wondering how much the distance factors into this.
Yours being what(?), 5' across and the bar table I shoot
on being close to 3.5'. Total difference is about 3' (going
back and forth. I may need to aim further to the outside.

hank
Hank, yes I am aware of this. You would have to have the balls farther off the rail and further back to attempt to make it equal. I have much more working room than you would have on a 7 footer, therefore much easier of a shot on my table.
I just posted another video with the balls further back, and using a conventional below center stroke. This might work for you to work up to the original shot.

Hank, with all your banking videos and books, would you look to see if anyone plays this shot with above center, as I did in the original video, thanks! Whitey
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Old 10-29-2019, 11:40 AM
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Whitey, Howdy;

Are you takin' a dig at me when you said; " with all your banking videos and
books ".
Just trying to make up for lost time ...

I'll look through them and get back to ya also let ya know what I find on my
almost-a table.

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Old 10-29-2019, 09:48 PM
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Whitey, Howdy;

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Hank, yes I am aware of this. You would have to have the balls farther off the rail and further back to attempt to make it equal. I have much more working room than you would have on a 7 footer, therefore much easier of a shot on my table.
I just posted another video with the balls further back, and using a conventional below center stroke. This might work for you to work up to the original shot.

Hank, with all your banking videos and books, would you look to see if anyone plays this shot with above center, as I did in the original video, thanks! Whitey
Played around with this shot for the better part of an hour. Started with both
balls about 1/2" off of end rail as you had. OB was even with center diamond
and CB was at near diamond. Results, ... not so good. Moved the set-up
closer to me and still not so good results. Moved OB half-way back to center
diamond (Always at ~1/2" off rail), still not much happenin'

Moved set-up out to a chalk width and all results were still about the same.
Adjusted cue tip to where I was aiming near 1/4 ball from Right edge of OB
and cue tip 1 tip to Left of Center ball on CB. Sank it a few times (3 or 4),
but not consistently or with confidence. Will need to visit this again on
Thursday.

Stay Safe out there, watch out for the wee Hob-goblins and such.

hank
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Old 10-29-2019, 11:02 PM
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Hank, that is way cool! From an instructional video you were able to pull off the shot! That is why I put it up, so members can work on it. Thanks for trying the shot, and doing it!
For me it seems if I get the right speed and stroke then I can really get that Ob to twist, and it appears I demonstrated it well. Whitey
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Old 10-29-2019, 11:42 PM
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Wow, that is a super cool shot, thank you!! No, I've always heard you get more transfer with a stun type of stroke. Follow blows my mind for sure!! And it seemed like with both of those shots you were not anywhere close to a kiss -- both ways the cue ball move out of they with room to spare... very nice!!
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