vapros said:
im sure dennis would not be trying to steer us into circus shots the way he phrased his questionFrank Almanza said:
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Yeah, now that I read the suggestion, that shot does look pretty simple to execute and reasonably safe. It doesn't advance your condition much -- although it does remove the "ball up" from the "ball up and ball down" situation Bugs now has in place around his pocket. Red also could bank the stripe ball on the bottom rail into the solid on the side rail and leave the cue ball below the stack. That should remove them both, but it could leave Bugs some kind of long straight back on one of those balls, depending on how they land.androd said:Vapros, I like that shot. I probably wouldn't have thought of it from there.
I often shoot it when closer to the pocket. The rails are usually a balls width, so it's fairly easy to find your target for the kick shot.
Rod.
I like your first choice, Frank. Although if the 14 were a little further away from the pocket, I'd want to bank the 14 into the solid to clear them both out. But in this case cutting the bank enough to miss the kiss might simply two-rail the 14 out of there.Frank Almanza said:
from your diagram with the arrowsCowboy Dennis said:
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Larry,lll said:from your diagram with the arrows
how red would be sure the solid as it came up table wouldnt kiss the q is why red is red.
OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT!!!!
Ghosty, Ghosty, Ghosty,One Pocket Ghost said:
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Cowboy Dennis said:Ghosty, Ghosty, Ghosty,
Since nobody replied to your critique of this shot, I will:
1. Larry never said it was a great shot, Dudley did. Dudley was correct.
2. Larry specifically mentioned the kiss in post #9 and how Red could know that he'd miss it.
3. In post #10 I tell that this is the only "signature shot" that I can recall from Red. I have seen him shoot this many times and he always hit it well. He had an eye for it and a feel for it that was uncanny.
4. Red didn't know where the balls would end up but if we never shot a shot without knowing where the balls would all end up, we'd never play a game.
5. Red knew where they wouldn't end up:by Bugs's pocket
6. Red & Bugs were both past their prime in this match and Bugs wasn't exactly shooting the lights out.
7. Did you notice that Red left the cueball on the rail? That's the most important part of this shot, probably more important, to a degree, than where the two balls were going to end up.
This is not the "right" shot for many players, including me, but Red liked it and almost always struck it well making it a good shot for him. The bottom line with this shot is this: Red is saying to you "I'll put you here, if you can beat me from there then it's on me, take your best shot".
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis
)...but I most definitely stand by my very well considered, correct words in my previous post, 100%... I only addressed his believing that Red could without fail never get a kiss on that shot, like 'Moses parting the Red sea'....i do see reference to god but no mention of the red sea.lll said:from your diagram with the arrows
how red would be sure the solid as it came up table wouldnt kiss the q is why red is red.
OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT!!!!
I agree with everything that you said in your post.Cowboy Dennis said:Ghosty, Ghosty, Ghosty,
Since nobody replied to your critique of this shot, I will:
1. Larry never said it was a great shot, Dudley did. Dudley was correct.
2. Larry specifically mentioned the kiss in post #9 and how Red could know that he'd miss it.
3. In post #10 I tell that this is the only "signature shot" that I can recall from Red. I have seen him shoot this many times and he always hit it well. He had an eye for it and a feel for it that was uncanny.
4. Red didn't know where the balls would end up but if we never shot a shot without knowing where the balls would all end up, we'd never play a game.
5. Red knew where they wouldn't end up:by Bugs's pocket
6. Red & Bugs were both past their prime in this match and Bugs wasn't exactly shooting the lights out.
7. Did you notice that Red left the cueball on the rail? That's the most important part of this shot, probably more important, to a degree, than where the two balls were going to end up.
This is not the "right" shot for many players, including me, but Red liked it and almost always struck it well making it a good shot for him. The bottom line with this shot is this: Red is saying to you "I'll put you here, if you can beat me from there then it's on me, take your best shot".
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis
wincardona said:I agree with everything that you said in your post.
Also, take a good look at the possibilities of getting a kiss , if this shot is hit well. I really think that it's difficult to get a kiss with this shot if hit well. This is a brilliant shot, and it's exactly the way Rodney said it was. No doubt, the result of experience.
Billy I.
Or, as Billy would say: "Like Moses repositioning the Red Sea"One Pocket Ghost said:
Cowboy Dennis said: