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Old 07-16-2019, 12:30 AM
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This is the quick version story of my awful weekend:

Two weeks ago Bill Smith posted about a table for sale for 6k that he had access to that was restored to perfection. Before I could get much more information he posted that it was sold.

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I have access to this VERY RARE beautifully restored, Brunswick Alexandria 4'6" x 9'-0" pool tale.

It's located in the Chicago area.

The pictures do not do it justice!

This is a SUPER price for this table!



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I should of asked at least 8K, it's priced to go quick! Restored to perfection!
Then last week I saw the same table posted by Bob Briskey on Facebook for 5k.



So apparently the deal fell through and then Bob decided to lower the price by a thousand. I reached out to Bob and learned that he was a realtor and the table is in a house that he sold which closes on Monday. The sellers said that he could do whatever with the table, so he was trying to sell it, but also considered keeping it himself. He also was considering giving it to the new homeowners as a housewarning gift if he couldn't get a worthwhile deal. Bob and I make a gentlemen's agreement that I would come check it out and if it's as advertised, I would give him 3k to take it home.

Check out the pictures for yourself. Based on the comments by Bill, I was expecting this table to be in excellent shape, I just wasn't sure how well it would play even after being perfectly restored.

My friend Jamie and I made extremely last minute plans to go get this table. We met Bob at the house with the moving truck, went in the basement to check out the table.

Upon a closer look, the large leg veneers were split along almost all the corners, there were several cracks down the middle, and the bottom corners were almost all rotting away. When we took the cover off the table ever single rail was split by the corner pockets. A couple of the blinds were being held on by a single screw. One of the corner pocket pieces had both end pieces broken off where the bolt threads are. Several copper rail protector sleeves were missing.

Then we took the felt off to inspect the slate. Each piece of the slate was cracked in multiple places and near the corner pockets the layers were separating. Someone had tried using Bondo to repair it, but it was not smooth or level in many places, and the pieces did not meet level at the seams.

The trip cost me about $1000, my identity got stolen during our travels, and I got home at 4am this morning. Essentially, this trip was to refelt a pool table for a new homeowner whom I've never met. For free.

Bob paid for the felt, but never offered Jamie and me and money for our trouble. However, he gave me some very valueable information by accident - During one of our conversations over the weekend, Bob told me that he never listed the table for 6k. He also told me that Bill Smith never came to look at the table, which surprised me because I thought he lived in or near Chicago since he said he had access to the table, and had been raving about the table, how it was restored to perfection.

Think about that really hard and tell me what that means to you.

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Old 07-16-2019, 01:42 AM
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I love the photoshop work.
I give it a 3 out of 10.
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Old 07-16-2019, 02:27 AM
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During one of our conversations over the weekend, Bob told me that he never listed the table for 6k. He also told me that Bill Smith never came to look at the table, which surprised me because I thought he lived in or near Chicago since he said he had access to the table, and had been raving about the table, how it was restored to perfection.

Think about that really hard and tell me what that means to you.
It tells me that you paid a high price to learn what I figured out for free a few years ago.

But people get upset with me for saying "mean" things, trying to save them something like what you experienced.

C'est la MF vie.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:42 AM
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This is the quick version story of my awful weekend:

Two weeks ago Bill Smith posted about a table for sale for 6k that he had access to that was restored to perfection. Before I could get much more information he posted that it was sold.





Then last week I saw the same table posted by Bob Briskey on Facebook for 5k.



So apparently the deal fell through and then Bob decided to lower the price by a thousand. I reached out to Bob and learned that he was a realtor and the table is in a house that he sold which closes on Monday. The sellers said that he could do whatever with the table, so he was trying to sell it, but also considered keeping it himself. He also was considering giving it to the new homeowners as a housewarning gift if he couldn't get a worthwhile deal. Bob and I make a gentlemen's agreement that I would come check it out and if it's as advertised, I would give him 3k to take it home.

Check out the pictures for yourself. Based on the comments by Bill, I was expecting this table to be in excellent shape, I just wasn't sure how well it would play even after being perfectly restored.

My friend Jamie and I made extremely last minute plans to go get this table. We met Bob at the house with the moving truck, went in the basement to check out the table.

Upon a closer look, the large leg veneers were split along almost all the corners, there were several cracks down the middle, and the bottom corners were almost all rotting away. When we took the cover off the table ever single rail was split by the corner pockets. A couple of the blinds were being held on by a single screw. One of the corner pocket pieces had both end pieces broken off where the bolt threads are. Several copper rail protector sleeves were missing.

Then we took the felt off to inspect the slate. Each piece of the slate was cracked in multiple places and near the corner pockets the layers were separating. Someone had tried using Bondo to repair it, but it was not smooth or level in many places, and the pieces did not meet level at the seams.

The trip cost me about $1000, my identity got stolen during our travels, and I got home at 4am this morning. Essentially, this trip was to refelt a pool table for a new homeowner whom I've never met. For free.

Bob paid for the felt, but never offered Jamie and me and money for our trouble. However, he gave me some very valueable information by accident - During one of our conversations over the weekend, Bob told me that he never listed the table for 6k. He also told me that Bill Smith never came to look at the table, which surprised me because I thought he lived in or near Chicago since he said he had access to the table, and had been raving about the table, how it was restored to perfection.

Think about that really hard and tell me what that means to you.
It was me that wanted the table. I talked to Bill several times about the table. I couldn’t get to Chicago to look for myself. I’m flying all over the place and trying to pack up the Michigan house for our final move to New Orleans. Someone Bill knows who is a player was supposed to look at the table, play on it and report back with pics and playing conditions. When I never received any pics or report, it was too much for me to handle at this time so I canceled out.

I must say Bill was upset and I received a few “not to nice” responses from him.

The Ad says “Beautifully Restored”. That must have been in 1930. Thanks Mark. I’m grateful for your post. Sorry it worked out so poorly for you.

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Old 07-16-2019, 09:24 AM
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Interesting story, appreciate your sharing. Sorry you guys had to live it
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:54 AM
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I have a good friend and fellow former BCA League teammate who has one of these tables. It was not in this bad of condition when he got it 2/3 years ago and he restored it into a beautiful table. He moved to Indiana last month and took the table with him.

I doubt his table is for sale since he put so much work into it and loves it. I sent him the pics from this thread and informed him about the price. He said 6k was a very good deal for a table like this in good shape.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:28 AM
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Bills first mistake was listing a item that he did not know much about. He should have done his homework, clearly he did not. The second mistake, posting a misleading advertisement ...."the pics don't do it justice". To me, that implies he has seen the table or has verified the condition is as pictured through a trusted 3rd party.

He should have been more forthright, end of story.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:29 PM
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Now THAT'S a shitty weekend in my book.

That really sucks. Sorry you were misled.
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Old 07-16-2019, 06:09 PM
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It was me that wanted the table. I talked to Bill several times about the table. I couldn’t get to Chicago to look for myself. I’m flying all over the place and trying to pack up the Michigan house for our final move to New Orleans. Someone Bill knows who is a player was supposed to look at the table, play on it and report back with pics and playing conditions. When I never received any pics or report, it was too much for me to handle at this time so I canceled out.

I must say Bill was upset and I received a few “not to nice” responses from him.

The Ad says “Beautifully Restored”. That must have been in 1930. Thanks Mark. I’m grateful for your post. Sorry it worked out so poorly for you.


It looks like I wasn’t the only one who got trapped, but that slippery Jim The Pilot got out of the trap as usual with an unconventional move.
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Old 07-16-2019, 06:16 PM
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Sorry for you experience, Mark. I agree with LS John and his assessment of the situation. Pilot got lucky, but you didn't. And Pilot said he took some shit for backing out. I wonder if Pilot had gone ahead with the purchase for $6000.00, if Bill would'a tried to get the table for $3,000.00? Hard to believe a member here would pull such a stunt on anybody, let alone on another one of our members.

Looking at Bob's advertisement, there doesn't seem to be any false claims made, just a description of the table. He doesn't even make a false claim about the condition of the table.

The false information is only in the post of Bill's, and without even seeing the table. But, don't worry, the guy has to be totally embarrassed, and surely wants to repent. I bet when he see's this thread he'll contact you and insist on reimbursing you for your losses, don't ya think?
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