Only in Las Vegas

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Billy Walters wwwCBS.com 60 minutes. Read about his interview and howe he beat his cases 3 times. We had the same attorny. And we did the same thing just bet.

But they took my money and gave him the money back 3 times with interest Why. I no why and if I get back in court it will all come out. Because I am the only one who knowes the truth.

And this has been on my mind. But I need too get it back in court. And when the truth comes out. I hope I will get the money they took to give too my 3 children. Because I got robed by the gov and my attorney gave me inafective counceling.

Because I didnt no the law and I trusted him. BUt it will get very interesting once it gets exposed. But its a pretty good story. And he said he was a pool player from kentucky when he was a young man.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Billy Walters wwwCBS.com 60 minutes. Read about his interview and howe he beat his cases 3 times. We had the same attorny. And we did the same thing just bet.

But they took my money and gave him the money back 3 times with interest Why. I no why and if I get back in court it will all come out. Because I am the only one who knowes the truth.

And this has been on my mind. But I need too get it back in court. And when the truth comes out. I hope I will get the money they took to give too my 3 children. Because I got robed by the gov and my attorney gave me inafective counceling.

Because I didnt no the law and I trusted him. BUt it will get very interesting once it gets exposed. But its a pretty good story. And he said he was a pool player from kentucky when he was a young man.

I watched "60 minutes" tonight, and immediately thought of you...Sounds like Walter's was doing exactly the same thing you were, on an even larger scale.
He said he was indicted 3 times, and it was thrown out every time. He also seemed to be well connected with the casino's that were taking his action.

Rotten deal...They took your $$$$, and gave his back. Do you think the prosecutors, or your attorney played favorites, and greased the right palms for him, and not you ? Sure do hope you get another chance to recoup your money.

Here is a related link to tonights show...Its not up for viewing yet >>>http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...wks-bears-nfl-pick-among-tv-sports-highlights>>>EDIT..go to post #4...Fatboy found the link to the whole segment...Fascinating stuff !

 

[Fatboy]

Sound like the fix was in, Artie. I have seen the same thing go down when the popped telemarketers, some walked, some got broke, others got broke and got time. I just got the call from my family on this story and thought of you as well and jumped online to see if it was real or if the guy was just a rich guy looking for a image. I thought you might know, since you live in Vegas. I never heard of him-and the pool thing sounded phony to me, which made me think he was phony. Perhaps he was and that why he walked I dont know???

I had the same lawyer you do fix a case he should have got dismissed and then sent me a bill for $200,000-he tryed to run a con on me instead of dismissing it. I fired him and have spent $100,000 since then on other lawyers and still have a open case, that should have never happened. Its not with the Govt. Point is your lawyers can destroy you or make you. I truely hope you get your day in court as you deserve it.

I will ring you phone soon, hope you been well,

Fatboy

 

[Fatboy]

here is a link to the story:


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7253011n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel

 

[JAM]

Billy Walters wwwCBS.com 60 minutes. Read about his interview and howe he beat his cases 3 times. We had the same attorny. And we did the same thing just bet.

But they took my money and gave him the money back 3 times with interest Why. I no why and if I get back in court it will all come out. Because I am the only one who knowes the truth.

And this has been on my mind. But I need too get it back in court. And when the truth comes out. I hope I will get the money they took to give too my 3 children. Because I got robed by the gov and my attorney gave me inafective counceling.

Because I didnt no the law and I trusted him. BUt it will get very interesting once it gets exposed. But its a pretty good story. And he said he was a pool player from kentucky when he was a young man.

Keith actually watched this segment last night while I was sweating the Golden Globes in another room.

He said he knows somebody that is related to Billy's business, who is a family member. I was going to share more of this story, but as I was writing this post, Keith asked me to refrain from giving out any names or further details.

Anyway, the guy, Billy Walters, is the real deal.

 

[gulfportdoc]

here is a link to the story:


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7253011n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel

Thanks for the link, Fatboy. I have a professional relationship with the older golfer friend of Walters' featured near the beginning of the clip. The friend is a casino owner, but I was surprised to see that he is buds with BW.

Doc

 

[JAM]

Thanks for the link, Fatboy. I have a professional relationship with the older golfer friend of Walters' featured near the beginning of the clip. The friend is a casino owner, but I was surprised to see that he is buds with BW.

Doc

I must say, Doc, you do get around. You should write a book about your travels. I'll bet it would be one interesting read!

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

Sounds like Walter's was doing exactly the same thing you were, on an even larger scale.

I don't know much about it and I don't pretend to, but from what I've read, he did it a little different. He'd use his own money, 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands to move the line himself. Then when it moved to where he thought it couldn't go higher he'd bet the other way, sometimes up to $1,000,000. He'd occasionally win the "middle" but that was not his main target. He didn't just skulk around weak casinos and find differring lines and bet the middle, he moved the lines himself, with his own money, according to this article on the "Computer Group":



By and large, though, there was little humor in their work. On a Saturday of college basketball they might bet 60 games, which required that they be aware of every injury, casualty and rumor surrounding all 120 teams. They had to chart the movement of the point spreads in various sports books for each game. They had to find the weakest lines, and they had to make and keep track of their wagers by the hundreds. They worked almost every day from September through March. Some days they would start at 6 a.m. and finish at midnight. Always Walters felt obliged to protect the Computer's information from the public, because these numbers were as valuable to him personally as they were to the group. His employees never even heard mention of the name Ivan Mindlin. The voice delivering the daily betting orders was known only as "Doc" or "Cowboy," and Billy Walters would say nothing more to identify him.



Occasionally, however, it paid to be careless. On a Wednesday afternoon, ever so casually, Billy Walters might tell Glen Walker to make a call over to the old Gary Austin Sports Book on the strip. "We want to lay $30,000 on Wisconsin giving 3 to Purdue," Billy Walters would tell him.



Walters knew that several wise guys would be passing time near the counter at Gary Austin's. And they would notice that the line favoring Wisconsin over Purdue would rise to 3 1/2 points. And they would ask who was responsible for moving the line, and they would be told the truth: That $30,000 had just been laid by the computer. And then..



The wise guys would bet on Wisconsin themselves. These wise guys would whisper to other wise guys. Tout services would hear that the computer liked Wisconsin. A run would begin on Wisconsin. News of Wisconsin would spread nationally. By the time word reached the man in Louisiana or the woman in Illinois, there would be no mention of the Computer Group. They would simply be told that they had better get something down on Wisconsin. You can see now that the betting market in Las Vegas is no different than Wall Street. Fed by rumor, speculation and greed, a stock like Wisconsin can grow hot for no substantial reason.



By Thursday or Friday, Wisconsin might be inflated to a 5-point favorite, 5 1/2 in some markets. At this point Billy Walters believed the price could rise no higher, and so he would marshal his forces: "Open order on Purdue taking 5!" In moments, they would be on their speed-dial phones, reaching every available source nationwide, betting as much as they could wherever Purdue was a 5-point underdog. They were a frantic yet focused group inside the "C&B Collection Agency," attempting to flood all the markets simultaneously, before the point spread could drop. Into one phone they would shout a few words and then hang up while dialing another number on another phone, back and forth, until they were frazzled. In two minutes Walters alone could place bets through a dozen beards or bookies.



So: On Wednesday they'd bet against Purdue. to lower its value in the market. Now on Friday they were buying as much Purdue as they could, a grand total of $1 million or more. And wouldn't you know it: Sometimes Wisconsin would beat Purdue by 4 and the Computer Group would win the "middle" — bets on both teams paying off in the same game.

 

[wincardona]

I don't know much about it and I don't pretend to, but from what I've read, he did it a little different. He'd use his own money, 10's of thousands or 100's of thousands to move the line himself. Then when it moved to where he thought it couldn't go higher he'd bet the other way, sometimes up to $1,000,000. He'd occasionally win the "middle" but that was not his main target. He didn't just skulk around weak casinos and find differring lines and bet the middle, he moved the lines himself, with his own money, according to this article on the "Computer Group":



By and large, though, there was little humor in their work. On a Saturday of college basketball they might bet 60 games, which required that they be aware of every injury, casualty and rumor surrounding all 120 teams. They had to chart the movement of the point spreads in various sports books for each game. They had to find the weakest lines, and they had to make and keep track of their wagers by the hundreds. They worked almost every day from September through March. Some days they would start at 6 a.m. and finish at midnight. Always Walters felt obliged to protect the Computer's information from the public, because these numbers were as valuable to him personally as they were to the group. His employees never even heard mention of the name Ivan Mindlin. The voice delivering the daily betting orders was known only as "Doc" or "Cowboy," and Billy Walters would say nothing more to identify him.



Occasionally, however, it paid to be careless. On a Wednesday afternoon, ever so casually, Billy Walters might tell Glen Walker to make a call over to the old Gary Austin Sports Book on the strip. "We want to lay $30,000 on Wisconsin giving 3 to Purdue," Billy Walters would tell him.



Walters knew that several wise guys would be passing time near the counter at Gary Austin's. And they would notice that the line favoring Wisconsin over Purdue would rise to 3 1/2 points. And they would ask who was responsible for moving the line, and they would be told the truth: That $30,000 had just been laid by the computer. And then..



The wise guys would bet on Wisconsin themselves. These wise guys would whisper to other wise guys. Tout services would hear that the computer liked Wisconsin. A run would begin on Wisconsin. News of Wisconsin would spread nationally. By the time word reached the man in Louisiana or the woman in Illinois, there would be no mention of the Computer Group. They would simply be told that they had better get something down on Wisconsin. You can see now that the betting market in Las Vegas is no different than Wall Street. Fed by rumor, speculation and greed, a stock like Wisconsin can grow hot for no substantial reason.



By Thursday or Friday, Wisconsin might be inflated to a 5-point favorite, 5 1/2 in some markets. At this point Billy Walters believed the price could rise no higher, and so he would marshal his forces: "Open order on Purdue taking 5!" In moments, they would be on their speed-dial phones, reaching every available source nationwide, betting as much as they could wherever Purdue was a 5-point underdog. They were a frantic yet focused group inside the "C&B Collection Agency," attempting to flood all the markets simultaneously, before the point spread could drop. Into one phone they would shout a few words and then hang up while dialing another number on another phone, back and forth, until they were frazzled. In two minutes Walters alone could place bets through a dozen beards or bookies.



So: On Wednesday they'd bet against Purdue. to lower its value in the market. Now on Friday they were buying as much Purdue as they could, a grand total of $1 million or more. And wouldn't you know it: Sometimes Wisconsin would beat Purdue by 4 and the Computer Group would win the "middle" — bets on both teams paying off in the same game.

Your interpretation on how Walters moved is spot on, but there were other things that he did as well. I was involved with Walters when he first moved to Las Vegas in the 80's, he didn't have any money and convinced my good friend Chip Reese to bank roll him betting the computer generated games. I went to work with Billy and Chip and was an asset to the way they bet Las Vegas. I personally innovated the two way radio as a strategic way of betting Las Vegas, before then big betters and movers were transmitting their orders with pagers. Artie can verify what i'm saying as the truth. I worked with Billy for 4 years, went to his home regularly, went to the UNLV games with him and quite frankly learned a lot from him. When you walked into his home you would see a large painting of a tiger located in his living room, signifying the mans character, and he was as fierce as a tiger with the way his business would be run. I would do 10 things perfectly and would screw up once and you would of thought by listening to him that I was on the hot seat to be canned.

My good friend Chip Reese passed and I traveled to Las Vegas to attend the funeral at the funeral I bumped into Billy Walters and we talked about the 80's I spent most of my life living in Las Vegas and experienced things there that you only read in books or see at the movies, and yes it's all real. I have stories about the biggest gamblers, best card players, notorious mobsters, and how the city progressed from the 60's through the 90's. I actually saw Las Vegas grow and now i'm watching it fall (from a distance) and it saddens me to see this great city melting away.

Artie didn't do the things that Walters did, but it was related. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in Las Vegas, he basically used other peoples money to bet on games and at times bet his own when he liked a side. He bet for Walters, and other big betters like The Poker Players in base ball season and The Kosher Kids in basket ball, plus many other huge betters. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in the history of Las Vegas.

Every thing I wrote is as real as the computer in front of you, and this you can take to the bank.

Trust me, i'm a realist

Billy I.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Very interesting stuff Billy. I really enjoy hearing some of the savvy things like this. One day I hope you write a book or at least do some sort of video with stories in it, a biography of sorts. Let me know if your ever interested.

 

[JAM]

...My good friend Chip Reese passed and I traveled to Las Vegas to attend the funeral at the funeral I bumped into Billy Walters and we talked about the 80's I spent most of my life living in Las Vegas and experienced things there that you only read in books or see at the movies, and yes it's all real. I have stories about the biggest gamblers, best card players, notorious mobsters, and how the city progressed from the 60's through the 90's. I actually saw Las Vegas grow and now i'm watching it fall (from a distance) and it saddens me to see this great city melting away.

Artie didn't do the things that Walters did, but it was related. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in Las Vegas, he basically used other peoples money to bet on games and at times bet his own when he liked a side. He bet for Walters, and other big betters like The Poker Players in base ball season and The Kosher Kids in basket ball, plus many other huge betters. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in the history of Las Vegas.

Every thing I wrote is as real as the computer in front of you, and this you can take to the bank.

Trust me, i'm a realist

Billy I.

Wow! Billy, that's some interesting reading. You must write a book, too.

There's a wealth of gambling tales on this forum. Your description of Las Vegas kind of reminds me of this book written by a Las Vegas lady, Beth Raymer, who grew up Vegas during this same era, when Vegas used to rock and roll. The title of her book is Lay the Favorite: A Memoir of Gambling.

There is currently a movie in the works on her book.

 

[Fatboy]

Your interpretation on how Walters moved is spot on, but there were other things that he did as well. I was involved with Walters when he first moved to Las Vegas in the 80's, he didn't have any money and convinced my good friend Chip Reese to bank roll him betting the computer generated games. I went to work with Billy and Chip and was an asset to the way they bet Las Vegas. I personally innovated the two way radio as a strategic way of betting Las Vegas, before then big betters and movers were transmitting their orders with pagers. Artie can verify what i'm saying as the truth. I worked with Billy for 4 years, I actually saw Las Vegas grow and now i'm watching it fall (from a distance) and it saddens me to see this great city melting away.

Artie didn't do the things that Walters did, but it was related. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in Las Vegas, he basically used other peoples money to bet on games and at times bet his own when he liked a side. He bet for Walters, and other big betters like The Poker Players in base ball season and The Kosher Kids in basket ball, plus many other huge betters. Artie was one of the biggest money movers in the history of Las Vegas.

Every thing I wrote is as real as the computer in front of you, and this you can take to the bank.

Trust me, i'm a realist

Billy I.

That was before My time here. I met Chip a few times-great guy. Vegas is 100% gone, i'm leaving a different city than I moved too. I'm really sad about Vegas dieing its cost me 70%-80% of what I have.

I didnt want to put too much biz in the streets, I was aware of some of the other things in your post Billy, just not my biz to talk about such stuff, I respect peoples business and privacy.

best,

Leaving Las Vegas,

Eric


PS: Billy did you work with or know Boston? The person.

 

[Fatboy]

Keith actually watched this segment last night while I was sweating the Golden Globes in another room.

He said he knows somebody that is related to Billy's business, who is a family member. I was going to share more of this story, but as I was writing this post, Keith asked me to refrain from giving out any names or further details.

Anyway, the guy, Billy Walters, is the real deal.

I just watched the video, I have never seen him before. Thinking about it I have heard his name. I wasnt aware he was still up and running.

did you notice how warmed up the interviewer girl was talking to him, man she loves that $$$. Wow, she couldnt hardly contain herself. LOL.

I came to Vegas too late, I'd probably be in prision If I came here in 85.,

best
eric

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Sound like the fix was in, Artie. I have seen the same thing go down when the popped telemarketers, some walked, some got broke, others got broke and got time. I just got the call from my family on this story and thought of you as well and jumped online to see if it was real or if the guy was just a rich guy looking for a image. I thought you might know, since you live in Vegas. I never heard of him-and the pool thing sounded phony to me, which made me think he was phony. Perhaps he was and that why he walked I dont know???

I had the same lawyer you do fix a case he should have got dismissed and then sent me a bill for $200,000-he tryed to run a con on me instead of dismissing it. I fired him and have spent $100,000 since then on other lawyers and still have a open case, that should have never happened. Its not with the Govt. Point is your lawyers can destroy you or make you. I truely hope you get your day in court as you deserve it.

I will ring you phone soon, hope you been well,

Fatboy

I am realy impressed howe you can see what realy happened. I wish I new you at the time tou could have been a big help too me.

You realy see the picture. And you no I am no good with grammer and language and I dont understand a lot off things said in law or english.

And I am going too show you that I didnt understand my case. When the war was going on in Veitnam and they were inlisting a buntch off people.

I went in for my check up and mentale test. And I failed the mentale test. And they told me we will call you if we need you. I have a hard time understanding the langusge and what all that means.

I will tell you Fat Boy you are wright I would bet billy couldnt beat sherly temple.

And the bigest lie is that he did it for the game and not the money. Well if it wasant for the money he wouldnt even be playing the game. What reason would he have? Its all because off the money.

And I controled the lines and numbers not Billy Walters. I could bet more money on one game in 5 minutes then anyone in the world.

I was set up 100% better then anyone. Billy or nobody was close too me. And Billy mostly played Colledge Football and Colledge baskitball. And some pro football.

I bet all games Baseball football Hocky Fights Basketball.I bet everything. And Billy didnt bet even close too what I bet. I had the top baseball people I had the top football people I had the top basketball people. I had all the top hadycapers and people in all sports.

And nobody was even close too me not even 25% off what I did. And I stayed on top off it night and day. I new everything that was going on and I controled the whole market.

Billy was very big with the coumputre colledge football I gave him that because I didnt want colledge football. It was very hard too middle and the numbers just didnt fall.

I new Billys Games and I could have beat him in a lot off spots too his games if I wanted too but I didnt what it and it was not a real good game too middle.

But I new what was going on at all times and who was who. And in colledge basketball. I had the best man that ever lived. And we were close friends. He could tell me what all the lines and nubers would go and do. Before the lines would even come out for the next week.

BUt me and him had a bond. And I got his linesand numbers before anyone. Even when he made deals with people for him not too bet. The offered him soo much for not playing and gave him so much a game. Were he could only win and if he lost he didnt have too pay nothing.

And after a month he asked me what too do. I said youre deal is no good and I told him to go back too what he did and forget about the free bees. I said you can only win and you can win whatever you want. I said you are number one.

The odds makers areant even close too what you no. And he quite his deal. And went back too doing it his way. He won a lot off money and they tried to buy him off. But why make a deal when you got the nuts too start with. And he was the best ever in life in colledge basketball.

And I had the best NBA man ever in life. They new everything injuries and thier lines were gold. And they won a Zillion dollaers.

Billy bet colledge football and basketball. And some profootball and some probasketball. But I bet all games and I bet year around. Billy was seasonal.

And nobody in life could ever get down for the amount off money that I could. And I was bared out off certain casinos. Because what I would bet every day would scare people. And Billy didnt bet no were near what I bet.

And I new how too win off ove other peopls bets not by booking but by manovering their bets. And when they changed the rules it wasant as good anymore. Every new rule made helped the book makers. WHY?

I lived betting sports from morning too night every day off the year. Nobody in life put in the time and effort I did when I was betting sports. Nobody was close.

Thier are people who can verafiey that. I did things nobody else ever did or dreamed off doing. I stoped telephone wagering in las vegas. I stoped all the midnight madness giving awat a free half off poits. I changed the whole betting industry in las vegas.

I am proud too say that I created all the buisness for the sports books year around. And loupo that ran the sports book at the Stardust said the day Artie stoped betting was the day the buisness died. You could not belive all the action and bets I made during a day every day.

And all the sports books were scared too dearh off me. Nobody was ever feared like I was. Billy was good with coumputor football and colledgebasketball but thats it.

Billy nowes howe to manover and getting things done. And he is from the old school and knowes what he is doing. But thier are meny stories even behind that.

But Dock middleton was the originale coumputor he was with my friend Ronnie Herschorn. And they had their discrepencys and dock tried to get a hit man too get Ronmnnie. But it never happened. Thier is a article it the Chicago paper that someone can pull up. And it will tell the story.

I was Ronnies cosest friend at the end off his dying days. The told him too leave the fat farm at duke or North Carilana. It was a rice diet. And Ronnie always called out for food he liket. He was one off the greatest talkers ever in life.

But he was a great lines maker. And thats how he made his living. And he lived high on the hog. In hampton new york he had a mansion Roles Royces Covertable mercadies and all very rich toys. But he was the sadest man in the world when he died. And I was the only one he talket too.

But that is the origanale coumputoe docm Middlelton. And thate who Billy followed. He was a geniuss. But thier is so much it would take a year too say.

But The one thing I no for sure nobody was close too me in betting. And nobody new how too win like I did. I beat the sports books I beat the betters I beat everyone. I figured it all out. And I beat the sharpest people. And everyone was happy.

The bottom line is knoweing what you are doing. THats howe you win. And when the lines would come out sunday night for next week I would bet a zillion dollaers. Because back then the lines were so different. You couldnt belive it.

And I new all the whole cards. And what too do. I new witch way the lines would move and everything that was going too happen. And nodody was set up like I was too bet everywere in a momonte.

I had it all figured out. And everyone around me made money. I bet the cubs totale and thier was nothing ever better then that in life. But time changes everything. But I had yesterday.

And I dont lie or make up stories. And thier are people who can verafiey what I am saying.

Its amazing what can happen in a persons life. And some off us are lucky enough too live a long time.


AB Middler

 

[Rodan]

Billy Walters wwwCBS.com 60 minutes. Read about his interview and howe he beat his cases 3 times. We had the same attorney. And we did the same thing; just bet.

But they took my money and gave him his the money back 3 times, with interest. Why? I know why and if I get back in court it will all come out. Because I am the only one who knows the truth.

And this has been on my mind. But I need to get it back in court. And when the truth comes out. I hope I will get the money they took to give to my 3 children. Because I got robbed by the gov and my attorney gave me ineffective counseling. I didn't know law and I trusted him. And he said he was a pool player from kentucky when he was a young man.

It's a pretty good story but it will get very interesting once it gets exposed. And he said he was a pool player from kentucky when he was a young man.

__________________________________________________


A law degree is a license to steal. It's amazing how quickly new
lawyers begin using that license. Law schools need some courses
in honesty and integrity, and malpractice law needs penalties
severe enough to weed out such lawyers.

A lawyer is essentially a form-filling-out clerk who (should):

1.) know the right forms to fill out to petition a court for relief
on behalf of a client.

2.) know the proper court to present the complaint.

3.) know how to find and cite prior rulings in support.

4.) know the filing deadline dates.

Some lawyers never get these fundamental skills down. They
keep taking money from innocent trusting citizens who suffer
from the incompetence.

A court case is never final. If the outcome was unfair, a highly
competent lawyer can overcome the injustice, provided the
door to appeal was not closed by the original lawyer's
incompetent conduct.

Appeals require the most capable lawyers. These lawyers
are the most expensive. Before launching an appeal, the
client should consider the odds of winning versus the legal
and emotional costs involved. This is hard to do because
a client rarely has a way to handicap a lawyer's skill.

Good luck,

Rodan. <- - - Been there.

 

[Fatboy]

On the topic of Lawyer's I have spent $50,000 this month on lawyers at 5 different law firms all for almost nothing but useless word games and defending myself against cases that arnt even real. <----if they were I'd admit they are real. Some of the $50,000 is for just disclosures and advice to protect myself in the future. the real rub is I havent made a dime since May 08.

Now back to the topic, Gambling in Vegas. How or why they could cook up a idea like they did with you Artie, I remember what you told me. They thought you were everything you never were and accused you of doing thing s you never heard of before. All you did was bet sports like anyone else, you were just smarter at it. God the $$$ you and I could have made as a team, Aint no telling how good that could have been.

When I got hit by the FTC in my last biz accused me of doing things I never thought of, and I told them as much-"If I was doing all that, Why is it that I have almost no $$$, I would be rich if I did 10% of what the allegations were" They couldnt respond to that and that set the tone of the case, I checked them earily on, and thats how I walked with a $5,000 fine and a consent decree with the Fed's, A deal that I had to follow to the letter until today. Which was cool with me, because I never violated it. Had the came at me with a realistic beef I wouldnt have made that play and probably got into more trouble.

Its not what you doing that matters its how you set the tone for your defence. the phony lawsuit im tied up in now, is a mess cause of a bad lawyer, it wasnt properly defended from the gate and its been uphill ever since. And there is no real case-its a he said, she said case. I have bank records to prove I covered a amount of $$$ paid on a contract. The she in the case is making up stories about oral promises that are 100% phony, I never promised anything. But because the case wasnt handled right in the beginning, i'm in a jam, just like in one hole one bad shot earily and your in a trap the whole rack.

My point is when they bust people the Govt isnt honest and hits them with more BS and charges than I could concieve, hopeing to make something stick. how those people even sleep at night is beyond me. And like Walters said the real crookes are on Wall St. Thats where the real $$$ is anyways. I probably should have went there.

best

Eric

PS: Thanks JAM for that book name, I'm gonna read it; hello to Keith.

 

[Ken_4fun]

Well Artie,

You gave up $1.1 million and then the lawyers got a pile.

How many shoeboxes of money did you get out with?

LOL

Ken

 

[Fatboy]

Well Artie,

You gave up $1.1 million and then the lawyers got a pile.

How many shoeboxes of money did you get out with?

LOL

Ken

thats not a question I'd ask a guy who got ****ed, especially in public, jus sayin'

 

[Big Jim]

bw

bw

i am from the louisville area, i have heard of the legendary billy walters gambling habits for 40 years, he must be a real character.

 

[Big Jim]

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I was told several times back in the early 70's that i needed to play pool with Billy Walters, i was told he would bet the moon, and i could beat him. We never played, i never ran into him.
BJ