Shoot the three, it looks like the perfect angle to get behind the two even if you miss it...
There is the possibilty of scratching off the duece, if you mis-judge the angle coming of the 3 ball.
This one here is what came to me -- playing the CUE BALL, and probably by hitting the 3 thicker rather than thinner because I have better control of the CUE BALL that way; not really playing the 3 (but don't mind if it happens to fall in )Two good things to do here...
One choice is a potentially very effective and powerful power shot, but there's a risk involved: Shoot the ball 4ball 2 rails into the 13 ball with speed, medium-hard, and draw-stiff the cueball sideways into the 12 balls thus sending a slew of balls towards your pocket - the downside gamble/risk to the shot is that you could catch a kiss from the 4 or 13 balls - probably worth the gamble though because you're going to get a lot of positive action from this shot...
The other, more conservative choice, is to shoot the 3ball...shooting to make the 3ball if that angle naturally sends the cueball behind the 4ball and down to the bottom rail and behind the 13ball...if you don't have that angle, then you play the cueball thinner off the 3ball, or fuller, shooting th 3ball into the 5-2 combination with a soft follow stroke - choosing whichever shot/angle will allow you to get the cueball between the 4 and the long rail, ending up down on the bottom rail and behind the 13ball.
- Ghost
This one here is what came to me -- playing the CUE BALL, and probably by hitting the 3 thicker rather than thinner because I have better control of the CUE BALL that way; not really playing the 3 (but don't mind if it happens to fall in )
Did I mention I was playing the cue ball not so much the 3?
As for the Ghost's first agressive choice, I think, (giving you are shooting, almost off the rail) that the chances of success, look very minimal...You have to shoot pretty hard on that shot, to move the balls away from his pocket, and towards yours...Yes, if you get really lucky, you will look like a hero...But I think you may also also, more often then not, give the game away... Ghosty, I really can't see you shooting that shot, for all the cheese...Its too early in the game for a "Hail Mary"..JMHO
First of all let me say that this shot of mine that you're knocking is your kind of shot...but quite naturally, you, and maybe certain other aggressive players on here, don't like it/wouldn't recommend it because I mentioned it first, instead of you/they...and no, you wouldn't have to get "really lucky" to come out good on the shot, and it's not a "Hail Mary" - it's more like 60%-70% likely that you'd come out good.
As for you saying - "Ghosty, I really can't see you shooting that shot, for all the cheese"....well, I choose whether or not I want to shoot certain risky, but high-reward shots depending on what kind of match I'm in and how much is at stake....that said, you're probably right - I probably wouldn't shoot that shot if I was hill-hill in a DCC match - but conversely, if I was casually gambling for $30-$40 a game, I'd shoot it in a heartbeat.
- Ghrosty
PS, Meanwhile, where's Rod at - I know fer-sure he would shoot it...
I'll try and make some sense here........
I think the cueball can't possibly travel on the path of the red line. It will travel on a different line that is close to the red line, and they will both meet at the "object" as you call it.
For example, if a sliver of another object ball lied on the red line, you could still hit the "object" because the cueball does not travel precisely on the red line.
The line the cueball travels would be a line from the "object" through the center of the ghostball (not provided in picture).
And even that is not completely true, because the cueball will hook slightly after contacting the object ball.
So while the diagram is good and I am glad that it was posted, it is not quite that simple.
Bob Jewett has a good article on this somewhere, which incorporates the slight deviation that the cueball path takes.
Chris, if the cb is stroked correctly (on ~ 1/2 hit or more), accuracy is pretty much independent of distance to the target. I think that is the take home message of Fred's post and he is correct in my experience. I use this shot a lot.
My diagram? Pffff! I just threw it together back when to illustrate Hoppe's prinicple when we were discussing a shot Joiner made. Just thought to repost it since Fred brought the idea up and some folks might not know what he meant.
Skin
I'm too tired to look and see who mentioned this shot but here is what Efren shot after getting down on the 3 ball three times and getting back up each time. I guess he saw something he didn't like.
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Here's how he left it:
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Either the shot on the three or this.Or kick at the 13 ball.View attachment 4217
Then Varner comes thin, off any number of balls, and puts him on the end rail, probably doubling him up with the 3 ball...Now hes in real trouble...Efren does not always shoot the right shot.
Then Varner comes thin, off any number of balls, and puts him on the end rail, probably doubling him up with the 3 ball...Now hes in real trouble...Efren does not always shoot the right shot.
dick i agree playing off the 3 was THE SHOT
but tell us which ball would you thin off of and where would you leave the q on the end rail???